Is Alistair Begg Right?

[tyndale1946]

How, by compromising the truth of God?

Same sex union is wrong.
For a Christian to support that would lessen what Christ has done for us. He died to save us from our sin not so that we could live in it or justify it which you would be doing by attending that thing.

The best thing one could do is lovingly share the gospel with them. With God's help they can come out of their fallen lifestyle.

I agree, just not in church... Brother Glen

1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

 

[Scarlett O.]

It's just not my place to tell people how to live their lives. I don't like pushing my faith on other people. It's just not who I am. There's a verse in the Bible somewhere that says all things have been washed clean and that we are no longer beholden to the law. If God can go to the cross and defeat death then He most certainly can understand a same-sex marriage. God knows us so deeply and will meet us where we are.

Oh, I see Christine - NOW it all comes out.

[1] Don't ever say "There's a Bible verse somewhere..." if you don't know what you are talking about. Can you show the verse? Can you explain how it excuses sin?

[2] God does not "understand" sin of any kind. Does God "understand" the raping of children? Murder? Gossip?

[3] Are you saying that homosexuality is ignored by God?

 

[Christina1]

I HAVE a human connection with my gay friend who is married to another man. He KNOWS we have a friendship. He knows that I loved his mother.

But I did not attend his "wedding". In fact, he didn't invite me. That does not break our connection. We HAVE a connection despite his lifestyle. He didn't invite me as he knew I would not attend and that did not destroy anything.

"Connection" sometimes requires people to understand each others' differences. "Connection" is NOT supporting someone's disobedience of God.

I would not attend a party where heavy drinking was involved and I knew that a few of my friends were alcoholics. Why would I celebrate their serious addiction and drink with them?

Same thing with same sex weddings.

It sounds like you both have a healthy understanding of each other's boundaries and you both respect each other enough to make the friendship work despite your differences. That's a very good thing.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Oh, I see Christine - NOW it all comes out.

[1] Don't ever say "There's a Bible verse somewhere..." if you don't know what you are talking about. Can you show the verse? Can you explain how it excuses sin?

[2] God does not "understand" sin of any kind. Does God "understand" the raping of children? Murder? Gossip?

[3] Are you saying that homosexuality is ignored by God?

Excellent post

 

[Silverhair]

It's just not my place to tell people how to live their lives. I don't like pushing my faith on other people. It's just not who I am. There's a verse in the Bible somewhere that says all things have been washed clean and that we are no longer beholden to the law. If God can go to the cross and defeat death then He most certainly can understand a same sex marriage. God knows us so deeply and will meet us where we are.

You are choosing the world over God. There is nowhere in the bible that God condones sin.

What the bible says is that one can not be saved by keeping the law. We are saved by grace through faith in the risen Christ who was the propitiation for the sins of all men.

 

[Christina1]

Oh, I see Christine - NOW it all comes out.

[1] Don't ever say "There's a Bible verse somewhere..." if you don't know what you are talking about. Can you show the verse? Can you explain how it excuses sin?

[2] God does not "understand" sin of any kind. Does God "understand" the raping of children? Murder? Gossip?

[3] Are you saying that homosexuality is ignored by God?

1.
It's in the New Testament letters somewhere. That's all I can do. The Bible is a very large book. This is not the first time I've ever not been able to locate a verse.

2.
Yes, but God understands the fallen nature of this world and that sometimes love is twisted. God understands how hard it is to be human.

3.
Yeah, I think God has bigger fish to fry. Like rapists and murderers. A gay couple isn't really hurting anybody in the grand scheme of things. You could argue that they are hurting themselves but that's just not on the same level as rape and murder and violence.

 

[Silverhair]

I agree, just not in church... Brother Glen

1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Well if I encountered someone in church that told me they were struggling with same s;x attraction I would take the opportunity to council them wherever I could. Be it in church or a coffee shop. That would go for any sin that the person mentioned.

 

[Christina1]

You are choosing the world over God. There is nowhere in the bible that God condones sin.

What the bible says is that one can not be saved by keeping the law. We are saved by grace through faith in the risen Christ who was the propitiation for the sins of all men.

I'm choosing to rely on God and not my own understanding. God's love is so big and deep and infinite that if he really has a problem with gay weddings then he will find a way to reach them.

 

[Silverhair]

1.
It's in the New Testament letters somewhere. That's all I can do. The Bible is a very large book. This is not the first time I've ever not been able to locate a verse.

2.
Yes, but God understands the fallen nature of this world and that sometimes love is twisted. God understands how hard it is to be human.

3.
Yeah, I think God has bigger fish to fry. Like rapists and murderers. A gay couple isn't really hurting anybody in the grand scheme of things. You could argue that they are hurting themselves but that's just not on the same level as rape and murder and violence.

So you think God see's sin on a sliding scale. But what does God say. Eze 18:20 "The soul who sins shall die." If one does not repent of their sin and turn to Christ in Faith they will be judged for their sin.

 

[Christina1]

So you think God see's sin on a sliding scale. But what does God say. Eze 18:20 "The soul who sins shall die." If one does not repent of their sin and turn to Christ in Faith they will be judged for their sin.

I think God has bigger things he's worried about. I really don't think pushing our own morals on family is a good use of our spiritual energy. I don't think it's a big deal. Just go to the wedding. You don't have to agree with their selection of spouse.

 

[Silverhair]

I'm choosing to rely on God and not my own understanding. God's love is so big and deep and infinite that if he really has a problem with gay weddings then he will find a way to reach them.

And you think compromising the word of God will show them what? That God loves them? No it will show them that your faith is shallow and that your righteous God justifies their lifestyle.

Truth without love is too hard; Love without truth is too soft

If you are not willing to tell a sinner that their lifestyle will lead them to hell do you really love them?

I have to ask, what do you think is more important to God than a persons soul?

 

[Christina1]

And you think compromising the word of God will show them what? That God loves them? No it will show them that your faith is shallow and that your righteous God justifies their lifestyle.

Truth without love is too hard; Love without truth is too soft

If you are not willing to tell a sinner that their lifestyle will lead them to hell do you really love them?

Yes. I love them enough to leave them alone and let them live their lives. I'm not going to go out of my way to tell someone that it's wrong for them to be with the person they love. Now if they ask me for my opinion, then I'll have a careful conversation about it.

There are just more important things in this world to fight for. Homosexuality just isn't a priority for me. They're people who just want to live their lives.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I'm just saying that there's a gentler way to handle things like this. Because this hypothetical family member's feelings are on the line.

I have a niece that is a transexual and her mother is gay. 2 years ago she left my brother and was forever encouraging my niece to express herself just like mom. It’s funny because she never encouraged her daughters female side. I would buy my niece girly clothes, my mom bought her dolls & a doll house and my sister in law always returned them. This girl was a lesbian-in-training. I was going to confront my brother but my mother forbade me from confronting him. Now I wish I had cause now my niece is a full on lesbian transgender with a full on beard. Worse, my bother, one of the most kind man on the planet is divorced, depressed and besides himself.

Now I only tell you this convoluted story because if we, my mother & I had sat down and discussed thing we perceived as odd then perhaps things would have been different… but my mother never wanted to rock the boat. I on the other hand never sweep anything under the rug… get it out, discuss the problem and resolve the issue(s). I can only tell you that I have a beautiful wife (a recovering alcoholic and a stage 4 breast cancer survivor), a great hard working son and his partner who have 2 beautiful grandsons , I’m retired and I raise backyard chickens and adopt dogs who need homes. Domestic bliss personified

Anyway, the eggs are fantastic!

 

[Silverhair]

Yes. I love them enough to leave them alone and let them live their lives. I'm not going to go out of my way to tell someone that it's wrong for them to be with the person they love. Now if they ask me for my opinion, then I'll have a careful conversation about it.

There are just more important things in this world to fight for. Homosexuality just isn't a priority for me. They're people who just want to live their lives.

So what about the rapist or wife abuser or worse the child abuser. They just want to live their lives, right. The question was would you attend a gay wedding and you said, yes. You will be seen as someone that is willing to compromise your Christian convictions,

That unfortunately is the rot that we see in the modern church, compromise.

 

[tyndale1946]

It sounds like you both have a healthy understanding of each other's boundaries and you both respect each other enough to make the friendship work despite your differences. That's a very good thing.

I have a daughter who, was brought up in church and quotes the Bible on Facebook, daily... To make a long story short she was abused by her previous so called Christian husband so badly, it turned her against men completely... She was raised in a Christian home and I asked her is it something that her Mother and I did, why she is this way?... She said no Dad, you and Mom, were always so kind to me... She knew my belief and her Mother has passed earlier and she never invited me, when her life partner became another woman... I know one thing... She is happy!... I leave the judgement up to God and so should the rest of us... Brother Glen

 

[SavedByGrace]

I have a daughter who, was brought up in church and quotes the Bible on Facebook, daily... To make a long story short she was abused by her previous so called Christian husband so badly, it turned her against men completely... She was raised in a Christian home and I asked her is it something that her Mother and I did, why she is this way?... She said no Dad, you and Mom, were always so kind to me... She knew my belief and her Mother has passed earlier and she never invited me, when her life partner became another woman... I know one thing... She is happy!... I leave the judgement up to God and so should the rest of us... Brother Glen

Surely God's Righteous Judgement is in the Bible, and it is very clear on homosexuality that it is an abomination and sinful

 

[Christina1]

So what about the rapist or wife abuser or worse the child abuser. They just want to live their lives, right. The question was would you attend a gay wedding and you said, yes. You will be seen as someone that is willing to compromise your Christian convictions,

That unfortunately is the rot that we see in the modern church, compromise.

That's different though. In those examples of abuse someone is actively getting hurt. A gay couple just wants to be happy.

If someone is getting hurt then we should intervene. But if someone is just living their best life, then we should live and let live.

 

[Silverhair]

I have a daughter who, was brought up in church and quotes the Bible on Facebook, daily... To make a long story short she was abused by her previous so called Christian husband so badly, it turned her against men completely... She was raised in a Christian home and I asked her is it something that her Mother and I did, why she is this way?... She said no Dad, you and Mom, were always so kind to me... She knew my belief and her Mother has passed earlier and she never invited me, when her life partner became another woman... I know one thing... She is happy!... I leave the judgement up to God and so should the rest of us... Brother Glen

But I note that you brought her up to know Christ.

 

[Silverhair]

That's different though. In those examples of abuse someone is actively getting hurt. A gay couple just wants to be happy.

If someone is getting hurt then we should intervene. But if someone is just living their best life, then we should live and let live.

You are equivocating. Sin is sin. So think spending eternity in hell is not hurting someone?

 

[Christina1]

You are equivocating. Sin is sin. So think spending eternity in hell is not hurting someone?

We're not under the law anymore though. I really wish I could remember where that verse is from.