Is Arminianism heresy?

[Revmitchell]

Uh excuse me but saying everyone who is not a Calvinist is Semi-Pelagian and starting a thread entitled "Is Arminianism Heresy" is far worse that "flippant". It is childish and sophomoric fodder in the vein of Jerry Springer. Its sole purpose is to demean and belittle those with whom you disagree. The maturity level dropped 50 points when this thread was started and another 50 points when it was revived.

 

[Rippon]

Then you have no awareness of historical theology rm.
The fact is semi-Pelagianism is not merely a distant aberration but a living theological framework for most professing Christians in America.

America's most famous Arminian has even admitted as much.

 

[vooks]

You are being flippant. You don't want a serious conversation. And what in the world does your inane question have to do with the OP?

Answer the question or zip it

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Uh excuse me but saying everyone who is not a Calvinist is Semi-Pelagian and starting a thread entitled "Is Arminianism Heresy" is far worse that "flippant". It is childish and sophomoric fodder in the vein of Jerry Springer. Its sole purpose is to demean and belittle those with whom you disagree. The maturity level dropped 50 points when this thread was started and another 50 points when it was revived.

Yep. :laugh:

True classic Arminianism is not "semi-Pelagian", as folks like Arminius (and the Wesley's for that matter) would have had no objections to the Canons and Conclusion of the Synod of Orange (AD 529) which affirmed the absolute necessity of prevenient grace and condemned what came to be known as 'semi-Pelagiansim'.

 

[Revmitchell]

Again, excuse me but not everyone wanders around in the Calvinist framework. We do not look at one's doctrine and then work to compare it to those in the past in order to find an identity. Neither do we look at past scholars doctrines and say I like that one best so I am with him.


1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?


1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.


We are Christians period. We are not bound by nor are we even concerned with Calvinist systematic theology. We do not have such a myopic view. Let's stand together as Christians who preach Christ and Him crucified and set aside the divisions that we see in this thread. It is ungodly.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Again, excuse me but not everyone wanders around in the Calvinist framework.

Correct--neither the Apostles nor the Church Fathers wondered around in such a framework...and neither have the majority of Christians who have ever lived for that matter.

We are Christians period. We are not bound by nor are we even concerned with Calvinist systematic theology. We do not have such a myopic view. Let's stand together as Christians who preach Christ and Him crucified and set aside the divisions that we see in this thread. It is ungodly.

This is very true and timely, given the increasing secularization of our culture. We as Christians should be standing up against our common Foe and not becoming enmeshed in these intramural squabbles.

 

[DHK]

I am not a Calvinist nor am I an Arminian. Nor will I be defined by some or any of those in either camp. To toss around the name "Arminian" by those who are Calvinist is simply a pejorative. It is childish at best. It shows a lack of courtesy and at times an inability to debate or converse with any decent intelligence. I have said many times that I refused to be boxed in by any man's theological system. The Bible is my final authority, not Calvin, not Jacob Arminius, not Augustine, nor any other man.

To call a person a Pelagian is to call him a heretic--not permitted.
To call them an Arminian when they are not, is simply a pejorative.

If you haven't done so, or need a refresher, read the rules. They are posted on the bottom of each page.

 

[Rippon]

Again, excuse me but not everyone wanders around in the Calvinist framework.

That is a certainty.:laugh:

We do not look at one's doctrine and then work to compare it to those in the past in order to find an identity.

That is certainly true. Most are too lazy to even care about corruptions of the past and to compare them with the same kind today.

 

[Rippon]

We, on the other hand, believe:

1. Rather than allow the entire human race to die in their sins reaping the just punishment their sins deserved, God, in a spirit of unconditional gracious love, mercy and compassion elected to save a remnant.

2. Knowing that fallen man’s evil sin nature would not allow compliance to God’s holy demands, God had prepared a Savior for the chosen Elect.

3. This Savior, Jesus Christ, would perform perfect obedience to the Father, both active and passive, on behalf of the very ones given Him by the Father.

4. As a result, the Elect ones chosen by the Father died with Christ on the cross and rose with Him in the resurrection.

5. Every one for whom Christ died and rose again will be justified. He rose for our justification.

6. The Elect are saved by grace through faith which is also of grace, not of ourselves that we may boast.

7. Christ purchased the Elect with His blood. He not only purchased our redemption, but purchased all spiritual gifts necessary unto salvation.

8. Christ loses not one Elect for whom He died.

In summation, Christ saves every soul elected by the Father.

He is the infinitely perfect and always immutably successful Savior.

I entirely agree with the above. Good summation.

 

[Rippon]

Our Lord owes no man grace, including salvation.

Our Lord owes all men justice, including eternal condemnation.

The chosen Elect are the recipients of God’s grace.

The non-Elect are those our sovereign Lord has passed by, not willing to show them saving grace, mercy or compassion.

He is not unjust for doing so.

His all-wise holy will of good pleasure is the cause of election and preterition.

Yes, our Lord is love.

But not only does He love to save the Elect by grace, He loves to render justice upon the non-Elect for the sins they have willfully committed.

The reprobate will glorify His love of justice.

These are vessels of wrath fitted for destruction.

The Elect will glorify His love of mercy.

These are vessels of mercy prepared for glory.

The Lord need not harden the hearts of the reprobate, as He clearly hardened Pharaoh.

This they do of their own perfectly ‘free’ sinful evil will which hates divine holiness, divine truth and divine righteousness.

The crucifixion of Christ proves mankind’s overt hatred of God, killing Him when given the chance.

Why do you incessantly kick against the goads of divine truth?

Another gem of a post. Very biblical I must say.

 

[Rippon]

Again, no mainstream Calvinist, i.e. 99.9% of them, would ever say that God is the Author of evil.

But then you quote Scripture and seem to oppose it. Don't you believe that objects of wrath have been fitted for destruction? Romans 9:22 is part of Holy Writ. Whether you like it or not it is the truthful testimony of God. That passage in no no way, shape or form attributes anything evil to God.

How can you preach to people when you pervert the Word of God? All people deserve the wrath of God. Some are recipients of his mercy and others are the recipients of His wrath as Ro.9:22 says. You need to accept the Scripture. Do not oppose it.

Not only did Jesus die for those among the Jews, but those from among the Gentiles as well. The children of God scattered around the world is who He laid down His life for --from every tribe, language, people and nation. Jesus was slain. With His blood He purchased them. See Rev. 5:9,Heb.2:17, Acts 20:28,Eph.5:25,Jn. 10:11,15,Jn.11:51,52 for confirmation.

Of course they deserve eternal condemnation --everyone does. But out of His pure mercy He chose a remnant --the "objects of His mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory, even us, whom he also called, not only from among the Jews but also from among the Gentiles." (Ro.9:23b,24)

"Calvinism does not teach anything arbitrary or capricious about God's election, no matter what some loud mouths might continually repeat." (Pastor Larry)

You need to note what is below.

Who who has ever given given to God, that God should repay them?
For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory for ever! Amen. (Romans 11:35,36 NIV)

Yes indeedy!

 

[SaggyWoman]

This thread has distracted itself from OP.

Refresh!!!