Is being thankful that you're not a catholic arrogant?

[Jim1999]

I am realy glad that I live in the year 2006. The only time I wear a gown is when I am preaching, and I only wear sandals in house. The holy kiss is equivalent to a firm handshake, and most ladies have doffed the fancy hats. I parked the mule and drive a motorcar, my house windows have glass and we enjoy central heat. Amazing what modernity has done for society at large, and thanks be to God, many customs have changed with the times.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[grahame]

Originally posted by xdisciplex:
In another forum I just read a catholic easter worship prayer and already reading this stuff made me sick, it was so drippy and religious and I thought wow, I'm so glad for not being catholic.

This religious stuff gives me the creeps.

We must rather be thankful that we are saved by grace, through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. If indeed that is the case. Before judging others I feel that we all should do as the apostle Paul says:
(2 Cor 13:5)

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

 

[Charles Meadows]

What's with all the anti-catholic stuff? For some reason this seems to be a fetish of certain BB posters. But then we tend to hear a lot about what people are against.

Perhaps I'll say it this way. I am glad I AM a Christian. I am glad that God put the desire in my heart in order to allow me to be saved.

I am not going to lose sleep over the catholicism, pants on women, bible versions or other favorite nitpicks of some of my rather ill-informed co-baptists.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Okay, so is repeating the Lord's Prayer "vain repetition?"

You may be repeating the Lord's Prayer again and again because you believe your prayers are not accepted, which sounds tragic! [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Cute, but not an answer.

Is repeating the Lord's Prayer "vain repetition?"

 

[JFox1]

Originally posted by Jim1999:
I am realy glad that I live in the year 2006. The only time I wear a gown is when I am preaching, and I only wear sandals in house. The holy kiss is equivalent to a firm handshake, and most ladies have doffed the fancy hats. I parked the mule and drive a motorcar, my house windows have glass and we enjoy central heat. Amazing what modernity has done for society at large, and thanks be to God, many customs have changed with the times.

Cheers,

Jim

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:

Is repeating the Lord's Prayer "vain repetition?"

Absolutely.
When I go to the mission field where people are saved out of various denominational backgrounds I must teach them to rid themselves of this habit. For most it is said from the mind and not the heart. They repeat memorized words without thinking about them.
But worse yet, in a large gathering there is always bound to be unsaved among them. The father of the unsaved is the devil (John 8:44). One only enters into the family of God through the new birth (John 1:12). The "Our Father" prayed by an unsaved person is actually a prayer to Satan and not to God. It is entirely inappropriat in any public meeting.
It was never meant as a prayer to be repeated. That is not what Jesus said.
His disciples came to him and asked him: "Lord teach us to pray."
Jesus said: "Pray after this manner.
He did not say: Pray this prayer.
It was a model of a prayer. He was teaching the principles of prayer. We are not commanded to pray that prayer. It is vain repetion to pray that prayer. Take the principles taught in that prayer and then pray from your heart. Never are we taught to pray "The Lord's Prayer." It is wrong for many, many reasons.
Very few, if any, can actually pray for their own lives: "Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."
How is God's will done in heaven? It is done immediately, without question, without complaint, never disobeying. Can you be like the angels in heaven and do God's will "on earth as in heaven?" Are you serious when you pray "the Lord's prayer?
DHK

 

[tragic_pizza]

Me? Yes.

And in my church, we pray it every Sunday.

I guess y'all will have to be arrogantly happy not to be Presbyterians as well...

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Me? Yes.

And in my church, we pray it every Sunday.

I guess y'all will have to be arrogantly happy not to be Presbyterians as well...

Not "you" specifically TP, by you generically, as in anyone.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Me? Yes.

And in my church, we pray it every Sunday.

I guess y'all will have to be arrogantly happy not to be Presbyterians as well...

Not "you" specifically TP, by you generically, as in anyone. </font>[/QUOTE]Niether of us can answer for every human being. Try an answerable question.

 

[Jim1999]

I guarantee you that a lot of so-called prayers in Baptist Churches are also vain repetition. Just listen sometime when somone is called upon to pray, or at a prayer meeting. One can almost repeat after them the exact words that will flow from their lips.

There are none exempt from your definition of vain repetition.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Niether of us can answer for every human being. Try an answerable question.

It is an answerable question.
Jesus said: Pray after this manner.
He didn't say pray this prayer.
That applies to everyone including you.

I don't believe that anyone should be praying the "Lord's Prayer" in public. That is a perfectly answerable question.
DHK

 

[The Galatian]

I am thankful that all of us have found denominations in which God can inspire us to greater love and service for Him.

If you are not grateful you are what you are, you need to do some looking.

I, too, find the liturgy of the Roman Catholic Church to be inspiring and holy, bringing me closer to Him. I hope all of us here find the same fellowship and worship in each of our churches.

I have attended Latin masses from time to time. Having grown up with that liturgy, I find a special message in the opening words...

"Ad Deum que laetificat iuventutem meam."
(I go to the altar of God, the God who gives joy to my youth)

I hope you all find that in your churches, and that it brings you all closer to God and His love.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Niether of us can answer for every human being. Try an answerable question.

It is an answerable question.
Jesus said: Pray after this manner.
He didn't say pray this prayer.
That applies to everyone including you.

I don't believe that anyone should be praying the "Lord's Prayer" in public. That is a perfectly answerable question.
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]"I dpn't believe..." isn't a question.

 

[DHK]

TP:
Your question:

Is repeating the Lord's Prayer "vain repetition?"

My answer:
No one should be praying the Lord's Prayer in public. Yes it is a vain repetition.
And I gave you the reasons why.
Is it clear enough yet?
DHK

 

[tragic_pizza]

Originally posted by DHK:
TP:
Your question:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Is repeating the Lord's Prayer "vain repetition?"

My answer:
No one should be praying the Lord's Prayer in public. Yes it is a vain repetition.
And I gave you the reasons why.
Is it clear enough yet?
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]Yes. We disagree.

 

[The Galatian]

There is a very definite and scriptural point to common worship. God wants us to do this. Indeed, he went so far as to say:

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."

Evem if the prayer is formulaic, it is a joining of the Body of Christ in one purpose of worship, and He says this will mean He will be in our midst then.

Which seems like a good idea to me.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Originally posted by The Galatian:
There is a very definite and scriptural point to common worship. God wants us to do this. Indeed, he went so far as to say:

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."

Evem if the prayer is formulaic, it is a joining of the Body of Christ in one purpose of worship, and He says this will mean He will be in our midst then.

Which seems like a good idea to me.

I've yet to experience a worship service in any of the several denominations I've been a part of which wasn't, to one degree or another, formulaic. In my opinion, one can treat the Lord's Prayer as a framework, or one can treat it as a prayer, and either interpretation is valid.

 

[xdisciplex]

You can pray the Lord's prayer but it has to be conscious not simply repeating it from the mind. But there are not many situations where praying it makes sense because usually prayers are individual and you speak directly to God about what you need.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by The Galatian:
There is a very definite and scriptural point to common worship. God wants us to do this. Indeed, he went so far as to say:

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."

Evem if the prayer is formulaic, it is a joining of the Body of Christ in one purpose of worship, and He says this will mean He will be in our midst then.

Which seems like a good idea to me.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."
It is strange to me why so many people take this verse out of context, not bothering to read the verses before. The context is speaking of church discipline. The verse does not define a church, the body of Christ, the family of God, etc. It is only in the context of church discipline. Where two or three are gathered together (in the business meeting of a church--that being a quorum) then Christ is in the midst of them, in whatever decision they make regarding the member being disciplined. It is in that context that the verse is given. Read the Scripture that goes before verse 20. Don't take Scripture out of its context, as a pretext, for your own pre-conceived ideas.
DHK

 

[Jim1999]

So, when a child prays..Now I lay me down to sleep................" the child is really just being "religious" and God will judge his insincerety....A sad commentary, I must say.

Cheers,

Jim