Is Bush a Universalist?

I am not saying I even like Mr. Bush. I don't now what he is frankly. I was just saying that perhaps he is looking at the whole USA when he speaks and this acconts for his universalistic approach. He wouldn't be the first.

Even Mr. Clinton is a Baptist. Then, his pastor said he needs to sort out his moral values, but he did go and does go to church every Sunday and even carries his bible.

I do know our Canadian Prime Minister is a twice-born member of the Christian & Missionary Alliance Church, and he is getting flack because of his Christian stands. Now, he has given his personal views on marriage, but he is obligated to give a free vote in the parliament on whether to permit mixed gay unions. It doesn't change his personal Christian values.

Cheers,

Jim

 

How many Gods are there to worship?

 

Three, Three, Three Gods in One! for us Christians.

One God only for Jews and Moslems. A myriad for the Hindus and many Native Americans. Buddhists may worship one god, no god or many gods. I don't know about the Shintoists. Confucians, if I understand it correctly, don't worship gods, they worship ancestors.

 

Zinggggggg!:laugh:

 

Was that praise or diplomatic flattery?

Either way, what you said before, that I replied to was, "Can you imagine what Carter or Clinton would have said in the same situation? Probably fallen all over themselves praising Islam." It's one thing, a fair thing, to criticise someone for what they did say, but your original post did not do that, did it? No, it urged people to imagine what they would say.

 

Alright, how's this:

In a very similar situation, Jimmy Carter addressed the Ayatollah Khomeini as "a fellow man of God".

 

What a pathetic distortion. Carter was the first professing born again Christian we ever elected as President.

 

BUT, he didn't adress him as a man of HIS God. That's what Bush did.

 

What a pathetic distortion. Carter was the first professing born again Christian we ever elected as President.

I agree

 

Quote:

Question: "Do we all worship the same God, Christians and Muslims?"
Bush: "I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty."

Question: "Do Christian and non-Christians, do Muslims go to heaven in your
mind?"
Bush: "Yes they do. We have different routes of getting there."


I don't know if Bush is a universalist or not, but I do know he's wrong.

There is only one God. There is only one heaven. There is only one way to get there.

Muslims won't make it.

 

Again, the same question: was it praise or diplomatic flattery?

And again, that doesn't change your initial post.

 

Yes. President Bush is a universalist. That is pretty obvious.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I think research into this would show that you are incorrect.

 

Who else was born again?

 

Amen.........

 

Well, anyone who is a Christian has been born again.

More specifically, if we want to look as to which presidents came from what we today call an evangelical background we at least have:

Baptists: Harding, Truman

Disciples of Christ(restoration movement): Garfield, L. Johnson

All of these preceded Jimmy Carter.

Bear in mind that the Disciples of Christ are much more liberal today than they used to be - especially in Garfield's day - when there was very little difference between the three branches of the Restoration Movement - the main differences being over the use of instrumental music in the worship service and the use of missionary societies.

 

Most of the presidents we elected were professing Christians, whether they used the adjective born again or not.

Regardless, Carter wrote what he wrote. If you are going to pile on Bush as a Universalist, better get Carter under there too.

Word games. Not only did Carter address Khomeini as a fellow Man Of God, but his ambassador to the UN, Andrew Young, described the ayatollah as a 20th century saint.

Carter and Bush were in positions where they were attempting to be inoffensive to Muslims. They both said things that they shouldn't have.
IMO