Is Bush acting in our best interest?

That's right you said it wasn't accurate so you are the accuser. Now what's not accurate about it Bunyon?

I look forward to your detailed rebuttal. Good night mi amigo.

 

So you are scared to answer and engage in meaningful debate of this subject.

 

I've already posted my say Bunyon it's your turn to show me the errors of my ways. Then I can swamp you with evidence. Unless you're scared, and in that case I'll quickly except a white flag as a sign of your surrender and make it as painless as I can.

Now c'mon quit dancin around and show us what ya got.

 

Actually it's a bunch of links. I can wait take all the time you need amigo.

 

We wouldn't have these problems if there weren't jihadists living among us.

Of course, if the State Department would have suspended the 50,000 per year green card lottery (instructions available in arabic, too, ya know), that would have helped.

And all the Student Visas - apply on line from anywhere in the world, even terrorist countries -that would have helped. Out of the millions of applications per year, how carefully do ya think all these are screened/scrutinized? Background checks? Highly unlikely. Fingerprints, big deal. Means nothing if you aren't already in a database somewhere.

Then there are the greased palms at US Embassies all over the globe that can "overlook" certain things when you want to come to the old US of A.

Seems the US State Department hasn't gotten on board on the "war on terror."

Check out their official web site & look at all the giveaways. Of course, if you're coming here to study, it is preferable for you to have your spouse & kids come along, too. And when you happen to "overstay" your visa, don't worry, there won't be anyone checking up on you to boot you out. Not enough manpower or appropriations for such.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1318.html

[ December 30, 2005, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

Would you have a problem with the FBI and police breaking into your home and turning it upside down without a search warrent? That happened to a friend of mine. The FBI did that because they saw him talking to some suspicious looking people on the street. It turns out he was evangelizing.

The FBI finally admitted they were wrong but refused to pay for the damage and told him he couldn't tell anybody about this or he would go to jail. He chose to tell me.

The government can, under the Patriot Act, arrest anyone they think is related to terrorism without due cause and without charging them with anything. They can keep that person in jail indefinitely without giving him the right to communicate with a lawyer. None of this requires any proof.

The government has admitted that they are spying on anti-war groups. One was a group of about a dozen Quakers in their 60's down in Florada. Of course, this is really nothing new since it was done during the Viet Nam war.

Is this America or the former Soviet Union?

 

Although covert action will be adapted to changing social and technological conditions, only a limited number of methods exist. A study of COINTELPRO revealed four basic approaches.

* First, there was infiltration. Agents and informers did not merely spy on political activists. The main purpose was to discredit and disrupt. Their presence served to undermine trust and scare off potential supporters. They also exploited this fear to smear genuine activists as agents.

* Second, there was psychological warfare from the outside. They planted false media stories and published bogus leaflets and other publications in the name of targeted groups. They forged correspondence, sent anonymous letters, and made anonymous telephone calls. They spread misinformation about meetings and events, set up pseudo movement groups run by agents, and manipulated or strong-armed parents, employers, landlords, school officials and others to cause trouble for activists.

* Third, there was harassment through the legal system, used to harass dissidents and make them appear to be criminals. Officers gave perjured testimony and presented fabricated evidence as a pretext for false arrests and wrongful imprisonment. They discriminatorily enforced tax laws and other government regulations and used conspicuous surveillance, "investigative" interviews, and grand jury subpoenas in an effort to intimidate activists and silence their supporters.

* Fourth and finally, there was extralegal force and violence. The FBI and police threatened, instigated and conducted break-ins, vandalism, assaults, and beatings. The object was to frighten dissidents and disrupt their movements. In the case of radical Black and Puerto Rican activists (and later Native Americans), these attacks, including political assassinations, were so extensive, vicious, and calculated that they can only be accurately called a form of official "terrorism."

For details, along with many examples of each of these methods, read Glick's well-documented and heavily footnoted "War At Home."


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Do you mean to tell me that one hoax is enough to convince you that we aren't living in a police state? Have you forgotten cointelpro?

SOURCE

 

Goodle Search Results Cointelpro

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CIA INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION ABOUT AMERICANS: CHAOS AND THE OFFICE OF SECURITY

Maxwell Smart


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Now it's "radical muslim subversion".

June 20, 2002

Bush And Ashcroft Assail Habeas Corpus, Scholar Says

WASHINGTON--Yesterday, the Bush administration asserted sweeping new police powers over the American people. In a legal brief filed with a federal appellate court, the Department of Justice asserted that Yaser Esam Hamdi, who is an American citizen, can be held incommunicado on a military installation as an "enemy combatant." A lower court ruled that Hamdi should have access to an attorney, and the Justice Dept appealed that ruling to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. Timothy Lynch, director of the Cato Institute's Project on Criminal Justice had the following comments on the issue: SOURCE

After decades of scholarship questioning Roosevelt’s New Deal programs and wartime tactics, it is refreshing finally to see an unwavering defense of one of FDR’s most universally discredited policies: the forced evacuation, relocation, and internment of 112,000 innocent Japanese American civilians, citizen and non-citizen alike. FDR is the quintessential hero of modern Democrats, but his camps, according to Malkin, warrant bipartisan applause. In four hundred pages of text, government documents, and photos of happily interned Japanese Americans, Malkin gives us plenty to consider.

So Much More Than Just Japanese Internment

Malkin explains that the term "Japanese Internment" is loaded, because there are technically different correct names for all the distinct policies Roosevelt had for relocating and detaining people without trial. Not all ethnic Japanese who were "relocated" were technically "interned." In a series of charts in Appendix F, Malkin lists the many "relocation centers," "citizen isolation camps," "internment hotels," and other places at which FDR detained people without charging them of crimes. Malkin insists repeatedly that lumping all of the detainment policies and centers in the "internment" category is not only technically inaccurate, but, in some way or another, it aids the enemy.

In fact, Roosevelt – always inclusive and progressive – not only interned and detained those with Japanese heritage; he had the multicultural good sense also to intern Germans, Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, and Bulgarians. More than one might gather from the conventional wisdom, FDR practiced Equal Opportunity Internment.

Malkin shows that the Japanese were not the only ones who had to sacrifice for the Good of the Fatherland:

"Enemy aliens from all Axis nations–not just Japan–were subjected to curfews, registration, censorship, and exclusion from sensitive areas… And beginning in September 1940, more than a year before Pearl Harbor, more than 10 million young men of all backgrounds were conscripted into our nation’s armed forces. Approximately two-thirds of the 292,000 Americans killed and 671,000 wounded in the war were forced to serve."(xiv)

So there you have it! Roosevelt wasn’t just picking on the Japanese. Even before the war he had the foresight to begin drafting young men (just in case the Japanese ever attacked in a surprise strike of which FDR had no expectation whatsoever). And by the end of the war he had forced nearly 200,000 young men to fight to their deaths! Compared to the conscripted war dead, the internees were lucky FDR didn’t kill them.

Malkin also points out that the United States wasn’t the only country to detain "enemy aliens" without trial. "During World War II," she writes, "virtually every major country – from Japan to Germany, from China to Egypt, from Holland to New Zealand – interned its enemy aliens." (54)

Even the Germans and Japanese did it during World War II! So it’s not like the US government did something the Nazis weren’t willing to do!

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Did i mention that we really really really need to amend or repeal posse commitatus in case of floods and bird flu just in case people start asking why we've been training U.S. troops along side foreign troops for years in anticipation of martial law in this country such as Operation Urban Warrior?

The invasion of Oakland California in photos. link

Or if you prefer you can watch it on video here....link.