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is Charles Stanley still regarded as a Good Bible teacher?

plain_n_simple

plain_n_simple

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is Charles Stanley still regarded as a Good Bible teacher?

No, never was. He married Moses and the Law years ago. No revelation or Godly wisdom. Just a lust for a bigger church. He is about numbers not quality.
 
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Amy.G

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plain_n_simple said:
is Charles Stanley still regarded as a Good Bible teacher?

No, never was. He married Moses and the Law years ago. No revelation or Godly wisdom. Just a lust for a bigger church. He is about numbers not quality.
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What do you mean "he married Moses and the Law"?
 
plain_n_simple

plain_n_simple

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Get them to say the sinners prayer, then teach them the Ten Commandments is the way to live. He does not understand Romans 6-8, or the book of Galatians. Nice church building though.
 
preachinjesus

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It's so interesting to see people make such polarizing statements about people and ministries. I guess one of the benefits of this kind of discussion is it removes our obligation to be peaceable and speak humanely of each other. So sad.
 
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freeatlast

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JesusFan said:
is he seen as being a good and reliable bible teacher?
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I would not give him that recommendation or point anyone to him today. He has changed his message in his later years and no longer believes a person has to repent to be saved. He claims repentance comes after salvation. If you listen to him now he never call people to come to Jesus as Lord. He only offers Jesus as Savior and this is part of his change from a no need repentance stance.
I am assuming his age has clouded his mind on this issue to bring the change. So to your question the answer is no.
 
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Alive in Christ

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I consider Charles Stanley to be a good teacher, with the exception of being a bit legalistic sometimes.

Regarding this....

1. Charles Stanley believes in a different doctrine of eternal security than most doctrine of eternal security believers. As with Zane Hodges, he believes a True Christian can stop believing in Christ and even if he still is not believing when he dies, he still goes to heaven. When he says OSAS, he is including those who stop believing (as per his book entitled "Eternal Security" published in 1990 and 2002). You can find this in the 8TH chapter of his book entitled "For Those Who Stop Believing".
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I agree 100% with Stanley on this.

It is unthinkable, unimaginable, to think that a redeemed forever, born again, sealed in the Spirit child of the living God could EVER be lost. That person is is mired in a terrible frame of mind, but if they were ONCE Gods child, they are STILL Gods child.

Remember the prodigal son teaching...among so many other teachings regarding Gods faithfullness in keeping His own. It is NOT up to us to stay saved. Keeping us is Gods job, not ours. Praise the Lord!
 
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12strings

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Alive in Christ said:
Regarding this....

I agree 100% with Stanley on this.

It is unthinkable, unimaginable, to think that a redeemed forever, born again, sealed in the Spirit child of the living God could EVER be lost. That person is is mired in a terrible frame of mind, but if they were ONCE Gods child, they are STILL Gods child.

Remember the prodigal son teaching...among so many other teachings regarding Gods faithfullness in keeping His own. It is NOT up to us to stay saved. Keeping us is Gods job, not ours. Praise the Lord!
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You do realize you are saying that there are people who are Christians who do not believe in Jesus or trust him for their salvation.
 
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Alive in Christ

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12strings....

You do realize you are saying that there are people who are Christians who do not believe in Jesus or trust him for their salvation.
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I know exactly what I am saying. That being that the doctrine of eternal security is Gods doctrine. It comes strait from the scriptures.There is no circumstance under the sun where a Spirit born, eternally secure child of God can be lost and go to hell.

Those ones may be SAYING they dont trust Christ anymore, or that they do not believe anymore, but they do...and in time they will come out of it.

And if a horribly wayward one were to be blaspheming God, and and behaving so wickedly that God has no other choice, he will call them home prematurely, rather then let that continue.

Eternal security means just that.
 
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12strings

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Alive in Christ said:
12strings....

I know exactly what I am saying. That being that the doctrine of eternal security is Gods doctrine. It comes strait from the scriptures.There is no circumstance under the sun where a Spirit born, eternally secure child of God can be lost and go to hell.

Those ones may be SAYING they dont trust Christ anymore, or that they do not believe anymore, but they do...and in time they will come out of it.

And if a horribly wayward one were to be blaspheming God, and and behaving so wickedly that God has no other choice, he will call them home prematurely, rather then let that continue.

Eternal security means just that.
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So now you are saying that it is not that a christian stops believing, but that he simply "thinks" that he has stopped believing?

I don't see anyone in scriptures described like this an called a believer.
 
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Alive in Christ

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12strings...

So now you are saying that it is not that a christian stops believing, but that he simply "thinks" that he has stopped believing?
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When someone is born of the Spirit, they are "sealed for the day of redemption".......

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
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And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit.
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Sealed means sealed FOREVER. If someone is SEALED till they day of redemption, they can not go to hell.


This is not rocket science
 
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12strings

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When someone is born of the Spirit, they are "sealed for the day of redemption".......

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And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
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And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit.
Sealed means sealed FOREVER. If someone is SEALED till they day of redemption, they can not go to hell.
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This is not rocket science
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I agree with all this, I just don't think such a person will stop believing in Christ.
 
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JesusFan

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12strings said:
So now you are saying that it is not that a christian stops believing, but that he simply "thinks" that he has stopped believing?

I don't see anyone in scriptures described like this an called a believer.
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Isn't there a passage by the Apostle paul that staes that Even IF we are faithless towards jesus, that he will be faithful and true towards us?
 
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12strings

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JesusFan said:
Thanks!

That would just about wrap it all up, eh?
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Ah, but you have left out the verse before it:

2 Tim. 2:11 The saying is trustworthy, for: If we have died with him, we will also live with him;
12 if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us
13 if we are faithless, whe remains faithful—for he cannot deny himself.
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How do you reconcile v. 12 with v. 13?
 
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JesusFan

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12strings said:
Ah, but you have left out the verse before it:



How do you reconcile v. 12 with v. 13?
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Think its a lot like the Hebrews passage in Chapter 6, as the Bible lists what "might/could" happen to a believer, but in reality, they will endure/perserve as in the ultimate sense what the Lord has started in them He will also be able to complete unto the end!
 
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12strings

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JesusFan said:
Think its a lot like the Hebrews passage in Chapter 6, as the Bible lists what "might/could" happen to a believer, but in reality, they will endure/perserve as in the ultimate sense what the Lord has started in them He will also be able to complete unto the end!
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Why in the world would God tell us what "Might" happen to a believer when that same thing WILL NEVER HAPPEN?

BTW, my explaination of all this is that true believers will perervere to the end and keep fighting the good fight of faith even when they feel like they are losing. They will not finally abandon their belief because, as you have said, God keeps them and he who started the work will be faithful to complete it in you. I believe the way to explain apparant Christians who abandon the faith is found in 1 John 2:19 - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
 
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