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Is Creation BY or THROUGH Jesus Christ? PT 2

atpollard

atpollard

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SavedByGrace said:
the Incarnation of Jesus Christ, is when the Eternal God, the Second Person in the Godhead/Trinity, entered the womb of the Virgin Mary, and part-took of her "human nature" in its fullness, apart from any sin (Matthew 1:16, 18, 20, 23; Luke 1:35, KJV; Romans 8:4; Hebrews 7:26, etc). He remained Almighty God, being in the "very nature God" (Philippians 2:5-6); but took upon Himself the "very nature of Man" (Philippians 2:6:7-8), and became "God manifested in the flesh" (John 1:1, 14; 1 Timothy 3:16, KJV). The God-Man. Jesus Christ is still in heaven as The God-Man, and will Return in the same Bodly way that He went into heaven (Acts 1:11)
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If you knew, then why did you ask what it meant? ;)
 
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percho

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agedman said:
We all need to remember, the body of the Word when conception occurred was Fully human flesh and fully divine.

Unlike the Roman and Greek gods, who each had at least one human frailty or fleshly weakness in which they could be resisted or even be over come, the messiah had no such human frailty or weakness.

Our Lord’s humanity is experienced because He was in “all points tested as we”. Humans are. He expressed hunger and thirst, weariness and sleep, will and desire, hope and longing,

More often, in our age, folks seem to run to embrace His humanity especially in the arts where we can identify with his emotions, pain, sorrow, gladness, hope, desire, trauma, anger…. Imo, is this is also evident in the fine arts in the Middle Ages. Seems as though the French and American revolution wars, and the Victorian period showed folks at polar extremes of great fervor or in feverish denial. (Example: Moody, Freud)

Our Lord was never a split personality, for just as believers strive to do, our Lord brought His physical, emotional, and mind under complete dominance of the authority as God. Though He humbled Himself and became a human being, from Birth He displayed the attributes of God.

This is realized by the first miracle account. His mother already knew his mission and ability, she never ask Him to perform, but knowing the Son as only Mary could, she turned to the service folks and said, “Do what He tells you,” and apparently just walks way.

100% Humanity and 100% Deity, inseparable, and never to be questioned.
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In your opinion what was the greatest test of summiting to temptation (sinning) did he face?

What did he learn from it?
 
37818

37818

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The difference being was the knowledge of good and evil He inherited from His mother in His incarnation was His eternal knowledge as God. Genesis 3:22. Hebrews 4:15. Luke 18:19.
 
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AustinC

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percho said:
In your opinion what was the greatest test of summiting to temptation (sinning) did he face?

What did he learn from it?
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Jesus faced them all.

Hebrews 4:14-16

Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Jesus is the only person who courageously fought sin from beginning to end without losing the fight.
We wonder why Jesus prayed so much. I submit it was prayer to defeat temptation and remain victorious against the very real temptations that all humans, including Jesus, fight. I submit that women tempted him, especially when he was getting famous and they thought he would be the King of Israel. I submit that he was tempted by people who would bribe him. He was tempted to work along side the leaders and compromise the cause. He was tempted in everyway that we are tempted. But Jesus took up the armor of God and fought as our champion, whom we look to (read Hebrews 12:1-4).

Sir, Jesus fought it all. Every temptation was seeking to devour him, but, unlike us, Jesus fought it all. Every temptation is wicked.
 
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Van

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Is creation of the physical universe by means of the Second Person of the Trinity, or did the Second Person simply funnel the creative power of the Third Person at the behest of the First Person?

I think the answer is the physical universe (including humanity) was created by means of the Second Person of the Trinity using the agency of the Third Person of the Trinity at the behest of the First Person of the Trinity. But this is speculation on my part, and thus should not thought to be based on clear evidence from scripture.
 
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AustinC

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Van said:
Is creation of the physical universe by means of the Second Person of the Trinity, or did the Second Person simply funnel the creative power of the Third Person at the behest of the First Person?

I think the answer is the physical universe (including humanity) was created by means of the Second Person of the Trinity using the agency of the Third Person of the Trinity at the behest of the First Person of the Trinity. But this is speculation on my part, and thus should not thought to be based on clear evidence from scripture.
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The one being, God, created.

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
~ Genesis 1:26
 
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JesusFan

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SavedByGrace said:
so, according to YOUR understanding, based on ONE misunderstood verse, you say that Jesus Christ is a MAN? This is like the Jehovah's Witnesses misuse of John 1:1, to show that Jesus Christ is "a god".

You still don't get it.
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He was called a Man in the Bible
 
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JesusFan

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SavedByGrace said:
the Incarnation of Jesus Christ, is when the Eternal God, the Second Person in the Godhead/Trinity, entered the womb of the Virgin Mary, and part-took of her "human nature" in its fullness, apart from any sin (Matthew 1:16, 18, 20, 23; Luke 1:35, KJV; Romans 8:4; Hebrews 7:26, etc). He remained Almighty God, being in the "very nature God" (Philippians 2:5-6); but took upon Himself the "very nature of Man" (Philippians 2:6:7-8), and became "God manifested in the flesh" (John 1:1, 14; 1 Timothy 3:16, KJV). The God-Man. Jesus Christ is still in heaven as The God-Man, and will Return in the same Bodly way that He went into heaven (Acts 1:11)
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why do you kept putting " around Jesus humanity, was he fully human or not?
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Servant of Lord Jesus said:
God took on and assumed human flesh, became a real human being, just like one of us, except has a sinless human nature
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so, if God took on flesh, how did He do this? Did He simply indwell a human being, or, did He take on the very nature of Man, while remaining fully God? This means TWO distinct NATURES, and ONE PERSON. Check Church history on this essential Doctrine
 
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37818

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SavedByGrace said:
and not God?:rolleyes:
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He was as claiming God was His Father, accused of claiming to be equal with God, John 5:18. As the Word with God He was called God, John 1:1. The Apostle Paul called Him as Christ God in Ephesians 5:5. In Hebrews 1:8, God calls His Son God. In Philippians 2:6 having the form of God. Christ refers to Himself as God, in Revelation 1:17-18 by way of Isaiah 44:6. And more.
 
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SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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AustinC said:
Both man and God. Read Hebrews 1 and Hebrews 2. Jesus is fully both man and God.
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this is what I have been saying in ALL my posts here on the Person of Jesus Christ. And yet there are some like YOU, who keep on making FALSE accusations about what I believe!
 
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