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Is defending yourself really that bad?

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Reynolds

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canadyjd said:
Based on what? What evidence is there? A black man running on the must be a fleeing criminal?

If they believed he was a fleeing criminal, they should have called the police. Pretty easy to follow a man running on a sidewalk.

So now you have progressed from the men with the guns were attempting a brief investigative stop to they were apprehending a fleeing criminal.

No evidence. Just opinion that has nothing to do with race, right? Just good ol boys making a citizens arrest.

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Its been on the news around here a long time. Its in my local news area. Why do you think the DA was not prosecuting? It was not a cover up. Its because there is evidence that will exonerate the two.
Do you know why the man filming was filming? Sure you dont. Until you do, you are making an uninformed, knee jerk, opinion
 
canadyjd

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Reynolds said:
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There is not much hate crime in the "Deep South" anymore. It is not 1960. Black men have a much greater chance of being shot in Chicago, than they do in South Georgia.
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I suspect this mans family would disagree.

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canadyjd

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Reynolds said:
Its been on the news around here a long time. Its in my local news area. Why do you think the DA was not prosecuting? It was not a cover up. Its because there is evidence that will exonerate the two.
Do you know why the man filming was filming? Sure you dont. Until you do, you are making an uninformed, knee jerk, opinion
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Why did the DA not prosecute? Go ahead, inform me. Give me all the evidence.

Why was the man filming? Please inform me. Give me all the evidence you have.

I hate jerking knees.

peace to you
 
Reynolds

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canadyjd said:
Why did the DA not prosecute? Go ahead, inform me. Give me all the evidence.

Why was the man filming? Please inform me. Give me all the evidence you have.

I hate jerking knees.

peace to you
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I know. If you dont, I will let you continue to plow along in ignorance.
 
canadyjd

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MartyF said:
I'm sorry I didn't expect to have to explain this. The title is obviously confusing people. I probably should have used the word represent instead of defend.

There is a common phrase in the U.S. - A person who defends himself has a fool as a client.

What I was pointing out was that this duo would have been better served had they had no attorney at all!



Yes! The attorney is a complete and utter idiot. The attorney is a moron. Either that, or he is purposefully trying to get his clients put to death. Before this tape came out, the duo weren't even being arrested. Releasing the tape did nothing but hurt the attorney's clients. They immediately got arrested and the jury pool is poisoned against his clients.

Releasing the tape did not help the Attorney's clients.



Allow me to make this clear.

I do not agree with what they did.

Please stop acting like I do.

What they did was wrong. They don't realize this. An attorney, who is not an raving lunatic, would tell his clients that their case was not an open-and-shut case and that they should be prepared to go to jail. What the attorney did instead was tell them that what they did was ok and then went public acknowledging his and his clients stupidity.

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I believe I understand you now. You started a thread entitled “Is defending yourself really that bad?” You link to a video showing two white men in a pickup truck following a black man jogging on the sidewalk. The driver gets out with a shotgun. An altercation occurs and the black man is shot three times, killing him. The white man claims self-defense.

I mistakenly believed you were referring to the events in the video as the title seemed to suggest support for the assertion of self-defense made by the white man.

You were really trying to say the attorney for the white men involved made a mistake in releasing the video, though it appears their attorney didn’t release the video, but that doesn’t change it was a mistake.

You do not approve of what the white men did. You are not a racist. You are saddened by the loss of life and believe this was an unnecessary tragedy.

Additionally, you were unnecessarily sarcastic in your response to me. Nevertheless......

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canadyjd

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kyredneck said:
Ahmaud Arbery alias: (Ahmaud Avery) Tried To Jog Away From This Crime Too...


Top 3 Reasons to Doubt the Ahmaud "Just a Jogger" Arbery Narrative
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Character assassination of a dead man. The 3 points made.....

From the linked story, the dead man ran from police 6 years ago, at the age of 19, after attempting to enter a high basketball game with a handgun.

Somehow, police officers were able to apprehend him without shooting him dead, despite the fact they had probable cause and he had a gun. Great work by professionals!!!!

The other two reasons have to do with the people now involved, after the death, to publicize the event. What these men have to say has no bearing on the event that took his life.

The first doesn’t show a link to this event, either. To suggest running from police at 19 is the same as jogging on the street at 25 is a stretch.

The bottom line is if they thought he had committed a crime they should have notified the police.

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Reynolds

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canadyjd said:
Character assassination of a dead man. The 3 points made.....

From the linked story, the dead man ran from police 6 years ago, at the age of 19, after attempting to enter a high basketball game with a handgun.

Somehow, police officers were able to apprehend him without shooting him dead, despite the fact they had probable cause and he had a gun. Great work by professionals!!!!

The other two reasons have to do with the people now involved, after the death, to publicize the event. What these men have to say has no bearing on the event that took his life.

The first doesn’t show a link to this event, either. To suggest running from police at 19 is the same as jogging on the street at 25 is a stretch.

The bottom line is if they thought he had committed a crime they should have notified the police.

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You are going to look stupid when "the second tape" is made public.
 
canadyjd

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kyredneck said:
...and now, hide & watch, wait & see, as in the case of George Zimmerman's character assassination so will these two citizens be.

[add]

George Zimmerman Files $265-Million Lawsuit Against Elizabeth Warren & Pete Buttigieg

I hope he cleans their clock....
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Again, no link to the current case. Zimmerman called police and followed their instructions to not follow the man and he waited for police.

These men chased a man jogging down the street with guns drawn.

Yeah, wait and see. You cannot initiate a confrontation brandishing weapons toward an unarmed man and then claim self-defense.

Wait and see

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canadyjd

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Reynolds said:
You are going to look stupid when "the second tape" is made public.
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I’m holding my breath to see another angle of a white man get out of a pickup truck with a shotgun to confront a black man jogging on the sidewalk.

Oh wait, that wasn’t threatening at all, was it? You don’t suppose the unarmed black man thought his life was in danger, do you?

Are you going to argue the unarmed black man over-reacted to the two armed white men chasing him down the street? When the driver got out with a shotgun, could that possibly be considered a threat?

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Reynolds said:
Holding a weapon in a non threatening manner is not brandishing.
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Unless things have changed (I don't keep up with this stuff) I believe in Georgia it is not illegal to brandish a weapon anyway (as long as you are not pointing it at someone) anyway.

That said, I am not really in favor of citizens arrests for this kind of thing. If I were a jogger (hypothetically, of course) and someone tried to get me to stop while holding a shotgun....or just tried to get me to stop...I probably would resist. There is just too much involved (and too much "he said she said").

The larger problem is that this is automatically being presented as a racist act. It could be, but the facts as we know them at this time do not indicate racism to be a factor.
 
canadyjd

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Another thing to consider while we wait for the 2nd video.

The report is that the man was shot three times with a shotgun. That will become a very big part of this story.

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