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Is Divorce a Sin?
- Thread starter AdoptedDaughter
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Molly, I know you meant well by posting this, but in all honesty, we, the divorced, have to live with having our noses rubbed in our sin, simply because, as Christine has pointed out, we were honest about it and didn't try to hide it.
Sin is sin to God. My divorce isn't any better or worse than murder, or that little white lie told so someones feelings wouldn't be hurt. Only difference is that some murderers get away with murder, and some liars can hide their lies (from other people. I realize that God knows ALL) but because I have not tried to hide my past, it's held against me by fellow believers (who sin every day, same as I do).
I don't lose sleep over it though. Jesus nailed ALL my sins to the cross, and washed me white as snow with His precious blood! Amen!
I am reminded everytime I speak my daughters last name, or when her school calls and asks for Mrs.Perez. I normally reply, this is Chlirissa's mom, can I help you?
You know what, I am not ashamed of my daughter, I had her in wedlock, sometimes they assume I didn't.
So I really don't know what would be worse, to have a child out of wedlock or be divorced? They are both sin, so I don't even bother to clarify anymore. However, I am honest about it, if asked or if it matters.
Christine
You know what, I am not ashamed of my daughter, I had her in wedlock, sometimes they assume I didn't.
So I really don't know what would be worse, to have a child out of wedlock or be divorced? They are both sin, so I don't even bother to clarify anymore. However, I am honest about it, if asked or if it matters.
Christine
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dianetavegia
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A deacon in our last church pointed to a toddler and said to me, "He's a bastard. His mother never married his daddy". Next to me stood my precious 8 year old we adopted from our daughter. Thankfully no one else heard that remark and I've never told anyone he said it. It really hurt me for both children.....
Again, sin is sin. There are no degrees of sin and no degree of right and wrong.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10
Again, sin is sin. There are no degrees of sin and no degree of right and wrong.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10
I do believe you are in error. I do not believe you have studied this issue.
You'll have to trust me on this. I studied this INTENTLY prior to divorcing, because I did not want to divorce. But, as I said earlier, it was either divorce, or become an accessory to adultery by permitting it.
They never let the alcoholic put his bottle down, they never let the drug addict put away his needle.... when it comes to divorce, it's even worse. It's like you have to wear a big scarlet "D" on your shirt.
And it's even worse for the divorced dad. I could tell you countless horror stories about how society bends over backwards for a mom & kids, but a dad & kids are treated as second class citizens. I've already told the story of how I was forbidden to enter a girl's dressing room with me 3yo daughter. I had to take her to the boys dressing room, where there were several moms with their boys.
You'll have to trust me on this. I studied this INTENTLY prior to divorcing, because I did not want to divorce. But, as I said earlier, it was either divorce, or become an accessory to adultery by permitting it.
They never let the alcoholic put his bottle down, they never let the drug addict put away his needle.... when it comes to divorce, it's even worse. It's like you have to wear a big scarlet "D" on your shirt.
And it's even worse for the divorced dad. I could tell you countless horror stories about how society bends over backwards for a mom & kids, but a dad & kids are treated as second class citizens. I've already told the story of how I was forbidden to enter a girl's dressing room with me 3yo daughter. I had to take her to the boys dressing room, where there were several moms with their boys.
I have said before and I will say again, whether divorcement is sin or not, we must deal with the aftereffects whether we like it or not.
I prefer to deal with people where they are rather than where they were. If God could bless David and Solomon and countless others in scripture who had multiple partners, who am I to do otherwise?
Sorry. Call me liberal or whatever name you wish, but I will always err on the side of being there for the people in need.
Cheers,
Jim
I prefer to deal with people where they are rather than where they were. If God could bless David and Solomon and countless others in scripture who had multiple partners, who am I to do otherwise?
Sorry. Call me liberal or whatever name you wish, but I will always err on the side of being there for the people in need.
Cheers,
Jim
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dianetavegia
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Johnv and other divorced Dads, There's a board for you off www.Fatherville.com
It's a board for Dad's with threads for different concerns. There's even a SAHD thread.
Check it out,
Diane
It's a board for Dad's with threads for different concerns. There's even a SAHD thread.
Check it out,
Diane
Ernie Brazee
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MATTHEW 19:9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
MATTHEW 19:9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
I think it is totally different if you were saved after the divorce....old things are passed awat,behold all things become new...when we were sinners Christ dies for us,while we were His enemies he dies for the ungoldy...we were all in a state of helplessness before salvation. We became a new man after salvation.
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dianetavegia
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If divorce is unforgiveable, then the cross is lacking power..... Jesus died for ALL sin and ALL sin is forgiveable except turning aside the Holy Spirit's call to salvation.
I'm SO against divorce, and murder and abortion and lying and cheating and other ugly sins... but MY GOD is all powerful! I KNOW that God can forgive and forget because HE told me so in HIS word!
He removes them (no * here saying but not divorce) as far as the East is from the West and remembers them NO MORE. That's what MY Bible says!
Either God is telling the truth or not. We cannot have it both ways. Don't limit God!
Only God knows the heart of the divorced person and the adulterer. Only God knows the heart of the young woman who had an abortion as a teen....
Diane
I'm SO against divorce, and murder and abortion and lying and cheating and other ugly sins... but MY GOD is all powerful! I KNOW that God can forgive and forget because HE told me so in HIS word!
He removes them (no * here saying but not divorce) as far as the East is from the West and remembers them NO MORE. That's what MY Bible says!
Either God is telling the truth or not. We cannot have it both ways. Don't limit God!
Only God knows the heart of the divorced person and the adulterer. Only God knows the heart of the young woman who had an abortion as a teen....
Diane
JohnV said:
The men talking with Jesus were asking if it were ok to "put away" .. then Jesus got them to acknowledge the commandment given by Moses. Thus impugning themselves.
Without giving out the bill of divorce, they were becoming accessories to adultery. Jesus went so far as to say that they were the ones committing the adultery.
Tonya
I haven't got much feedback on the explanation that has been offered in which Jesus was chastising His listeners. But this observation from JohnV makes a good point.
The men talking with Jesus were asking if it were ok to "put away" .. then Jesus got them to acknowledge the commandment given by Moses. Thus impugning themselves.
Without giving out the bill of divorce, they were becoming accessories to adultery. Jesus went so far as to say that they were the ones committing the adultery.
Tonya
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matthewkyle
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I believe Johnv asked the question:
"If a wife is being beaten on a regular basis, but there is no adultery involved on the part of either party, does God expect her to remain in that relationship?"
To further that....what about a husband that sexually abuses his children in addition to the physical abuse of his wife and children. My friends this happens much more frequently than I would care to think about.
Would Jesus prefer the sexual abuse of children over the allowing of a divorce?
Your thoughts are appreciated.
"If a wife is being beaten on a regular basis, but there is no adultery involved on the part of either party, does God expect her to remain in that relationship?"
To further that....what about a husband that sexually abuses his children in addition to the physical abuse of his wife and children. My friends this happens much more frequently than I would care to think about.
Would Jesus prefer the sexual abuse of children over the allowing of a divorce?
Your thoughts are appreciated.
I thought this question was already addressed, but maybe it was in another thread.
I would ask the question:
If this occurs and the mother does not report it to authorities whereby the father is arrested, then she is an accomplise whether she engages in the act or not.
Also, if the mother has reported this to authorities, it is my understanding the state must investigate, they cannot refuse to investigate such charges.
There have also been cases that children have falsely accused, though perhaps not as often.
OK, then if the wife and mother has reported the incident, and authorities have investigated and the matter is found to be true, the father is out of the home and in a corrective facility; Now what?
Can the wife then act as if the husband is dead?
The marriage is still the marriage. Jesus would say to a person seeking divorce in such a situation of any kind of physical abuse, having sought from authorities to stop the abusive action, and the husband thus being removed from the home, 'ye know not what spirit ye are of'.
BTW, welcome to the BB.
Bro. Dallas Eaton
I would ask the question:
If this occurs and the mother does not report it to authorities whereby the father is arrested, then she is an accomplise whether she engages in the act or not.
Also, if the mother has reported this to authorities, it is my understanding the state must investigate, they cannot refuse to investigate such charges.
There have also been cases that children have falsely accused, though perhaps not as often.
OK, then if the wife and mother has reported the incident, and authorities have investigated and the matter is found to be true, the father is out of the home and in a corrective facility; Now what?
Can the wife then act as if the husband is dead?
The marriage is still the marriage. Jesus would say to a person seeking divorce in such a situation of any kind of physical abuse, having sought from authorities to stop the abusive action, and the husband thus being removed from the home, 'ye know not what spirit ye are of'.
BTW, welcome to the BB.
Bro. Dallas Eaton
Baptist in Richmond
Active Member
Daniel David writes:
>>John, I will bow out of this one-on-one with
>>you only because I have no desire to beat you
>>down with the Bible.
Wow, that is a horrible thing to say to a fellow Believer.
dianetavegia writes:
>>IMHO, to say that divorce is not forgiveable
>>(and this is coming from someone who believes
>>in NO divorce) is taking power from the cross
>>of our Lord Jesus Christ.
<snip>
Diane, the more I read your posts, the more I really like you. Your comments (edited only for space consideration) are precisely to what we refer when we sing "Blessed be the tie that binds our hearts in Christian love." I just wanted to publicly acknowledge you and say thanks for a very thoughtful post to someone who posed an honest question to this list.
>>John, I will bow out of this one-on-one with
>>you only because I have no desire to beat you
>>down with the Bible.
Wow, that is a horrible thing to say to a fellow Believer.
dianetavegia writes:
>>IMHO, to say that divorce is not forgiveable
>>(and this is coming from someone who believes
>>in NO divorce) is taking power from the cross
>>of our Lord Jesus Christ.
<snip>
Diane, the more I read your posts, the more I really like you. Your comments (edited only for space consideration) are precisely to what we refer when we sing "Blessed be the tie that binds our hearts in Christian love." I just wanted to publicly acknowledge you and say thanks for a very thoughtful post to someone who posed an honest question to this list.
I haven't got much feedback on the explanation that has been offered in which Jesus was chastising His listeners. But this observation from JohnV makes a good point.
The men talking with Jesus were asking if it were ok to "put away" .. then Jesus got them to acknowledge the commandment given by Moses. Thus impugning themselves.
Without giving out the bill of divorce, they were becoming accessories to adultery. Jesus went so far as to say that they were the ones committing the adultery.
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Here is what Jesus said, it doesn't resemble what you said.
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προσκολλάω
proskollaō
pros-kol-lay'-o
From G4314 and G2853; to glue to, that is, (figuratively) to adhere: - cleave, join (self).
According to the text Moses suffered the Isralites to do this because of the hardness of their hearts. They were becoming 'accessories' because their hearts were hardened and they sought to put away their wives for any reason, not because of the lack of a writing of divorce. The law of Moses shows that much more than fornication was given as grounds for 'putting away' one's wife.
Bro. Dallas Eaton