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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by JonC, Jan 29, 2020.

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    Wow. That explains what is wrong with hyper-Calvinists. Dennis Prager and conservitive Jew calls Leftism a dangerous religion, in so many words. Not Liberalism but Leftism of the Progressive Left. I noticed Biblical works definding and presenting Calvinism uses Modernist translations of the Bible. Hince the modern versions suffer from the same flaws. KJVOism is a spin off and counter error. Both ends of the argument against the middle.

    This rhetoric I have used in this post fails. But paints a picture.
     
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  2. Particular

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    Honestly, you sound clueless on this. Calvinists and Progressives make the same arguments? You need to prove your assertion cause I ain't buying it.
     
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    No, they use the same tactics. Do pay attention.

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    I pay attention. You are required to prove your assertion.
     
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    The arguments in terms of tactics are the same.

    It is not what the Constitution says but what the founders really meant.
    It is not what is stated in the biblical text but what the text "teaches".

    Trump supporters are ignorant.
    Those who reject Calvinism do so out of ignorance.

    Democrats understand the broader issues where Republicans are self-centered.
    Calvinists rely on God, non-Calvinists rely on themselves.

    Think of all of the political slander that has gone on (really on both sides, but I think worse with the DNC) to discredit republicans.
    Think of all the false accusations and lies that has gone on to discredit non-Calvinists.

    The DNC is a party of hatred and intolerance when it comes to opposing political views.
    Whether completely earned or not, Calvinists are known for hatred and intolerance when it comes to opposing theological views.

    And this is only for starters.
     
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    You are grasping at straws. Mostly, however, you are making a prideful statement about what you think of your own arguments.
     
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    Exactly what I mean (I have not made any statements about what I think of my own arguments).
     
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    Really? It seems you have and you may be unaware.
     
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    #4. YOU BELIEVE THIS (insert strawman argument)
     
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    :Laugh..... The "you are ignorant of your own prideful statements" charge. Covering all bases?
     
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    You are making a prideful statement about what you think of your own arguments.

    This is an assertion, not a statement of belief. Try again.
     
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    The deflection laugh. Covering all bases?
     
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    You are assuming it was deflection (just like you assumed I made an argument about which I had no knowledge).

    Democrats read what Trump said and made assumptions about what he meant.

    Calvinists often do the same on this board (they are not alone).
     
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    It's not an assumption. It's an observation and an assertion.
     
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    You cannot know that (it is impossible for you to know that I unknowingly expressed my argument). So it is an assumption by definition.....

    Unless you are claiming God told you. Is that what you are claiming.... It does not matter what I believe because God told you what I believe?
     
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    I never said you expressed your argument. Re-read my original comment.
    I observed what you said and asserted that you were displaying a pride in your own view.
     
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    You are wrong. I stated an observation - an assertion. Pride has nothing to do with it - no more than me saying the sky is blue is a prideful statement.
     
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    You are free to make that assertion. Pride, however, is also observed in your original statement.
     
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    Probably.

    But my comment was about some Calvinists being like the DNC as they are prideful, arrogant, implying what was not said, imposing beliefs on others, etc.

    I'm not a Calvinist. You?
     
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    Jon, you never said some.
    I know many non-Calvinists who fully support the Democratic Party and call themselves Christians. It seems that following the DNC is not about being a Calvinist at all, which makes my point that you used a fallacious comment to prop yourself up as better than others.
     
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