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Is Drinking Wine Wrong??
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Heavenly Pilgrim
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HP: Who are you to say that to anyone other than yourself? Do you know what God has required of me? “To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin.” If I have received light that alcohol is bad for my health and my witness before the world, why would it not affect me spiritually to partake of that which I know that before my God I should not partake of? “Anything that is not of faith is sin” If I have serious questions as to whether or not God is pleased with my consumption of alcohol, but go ahead and do it anyway, would not it be sin in this case as well?
I am in no way trying to place condemnation on anyone in particular for their consumption or abstinence. I am just saying that before God each one of us will give an account for the things we have done or refused to do that we have been given light on. What is required of me might not be that which is required of you. As a fellow pilgrim in search of the city, I believe it is our sacred Scriptural duty to warn others of issues we know that are a snare to many a soul, and to promote that which is good and wholesome, and speak against that which will tend to influence one to behavior that sober one would in no way do. That simple shot of courage in that glass one sets before him may be the strongest influence to temptation in numerous areas that might affect ones righteous standing before the Lord. It has been the damnation of many an individual and been a strong influence in the financial, marital, and family ruin of many a soul.
Don’t tell me that alcohol does not adversely impact the well being of mankind. It all starts ever so innocently but all too often becomes a raging tempest that will consume a hole nation in its path of destruction. I have seen the detrimental results of its fury all too well in my lifetime to be so naïve to say that it does not adversely affect the human race. It all starts with the first innocent glass. I for one will not allow a drop of that poison to touch my lips. I will not necessarily condemn those that do, but I will warn all of the possible, or should I say likely, evils associated with the partaking of it. I believe the wise will listen and follow such sound advice. “Pr 20:1 ¶ Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.”
that's exactly my point HP... "hast thou faith? have it to theyself before God"
that's the point im making.
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i agree with everything you're sayin there HP.
except the verse at the end isn't saying that we shouldn't drink - but that we shouldn't be deceived by the drink. in other words: drunk.
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IMHO.
God bless.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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Geeko: except the verse at the end isn't saying that we shouldn't drink - but that we shouldn't be deceived by the drink. in other words: drunk.
HP: My advice is stay away from mockers and deceivers.
HP: My advice is stay away from mockers and deceivers.
webdog said:
According to this website, one glass of wine over a one hour period would set your blood alcohol level to 0.007 if you weighed 55 lbs. If you were a small woman at 100 lbs., your reading would be 0.004. For a 180 lb. man, that one glass of wine would make the BAC - 0.002.
This is from the website as for guidelines:
0.00 g/210 liters of breath - This is the only safe BAC level.
0.02 g/210 liters of breath - At and above this level US federal laws mandate that a person in a safety sensitive transportation job must be removed from the workplace.
0.04 g/210 liters of breath - At and above this level US federal laws mandate that a person in a safety sensitive transportation job must be sanctioned and may lose their job. Also in most states a person can be convicted of driving under the influence at this level.
0.08 g/210 liters of breath - At and above this level you can be convicted of driving while intoxicated in most states.
0.10 g/210 liters of breath - At and above this level you can be convicted of driving while intoxicated in ALL states.
0.30 g/210 liters of breath - At this level most people will lose conciousness.
0.40 g/210 liters of breath - At this level most people will become comatose and may die.
SOOOO - one glass of wine will NOT make you get a DUI - even close!!
Ann
His Blood Spoke My Name
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According to the Word of God, one glass of alcoholic beverage can send a soul straight to hell.
Diggin in da Word
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annsni said:
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Corinthians 3:19
His Blood Spoke My Name said:
So you believe in works based salvation, and a salvation that can be lost.
I better read this, please point out the book chapter and verse this teaching can be found.
You also better list all the other sins that will cause somebody to loose their salvation and send people to hell.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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HP: What would you say if I told you that one bite of an apple could cost your soul? I can think of no more unwise path to take than start to reason from how small you think the offense might be that it could not cost ones standing before God. Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. If there ever was a case of presumption, that would be it.
The way I read HBSMN was that one drink could, not that it would. God may require some things from one that He would not from another. It may be sin for one while not for the other……. and again one may be willingly deaf and blind to what God requires of him. I would rather error on the side of caution if it were me.
Remember, sharp words cut both ways.
His Blood Spoke My Name
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One cannot lose one's salvation. But one can be deceived to believe one is saved when one is not.
The Word of God tells us that if we regard iniquity in our hearts the Lord will not hear us.
As I pointed out before, Alcohol is a poison that destroys the liver, the stomach, the kidneys and cells in the brain.
The Bible tells us our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit if we are saved. We are also told to be faithful stewards... this applies not just to money, but to all we have.
Putting a poison in the bloodstream is not being a faithful steward.
Go ask a doctor what alcohol does to the stomach, kidney, liver and brain cells.
Paul wrote,
Hebrews 10:26-27 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
The truth has been delivered. I will not be held accountable for not delivering God's Word concerning alcohol.
The Word of God tells us that if we regard iniquity in our hearts the Lord will not hear us.
As I pointed out before, Alcohol is a poison that destroys the liver, the stomach, the kidneys and cells in the brain.
The Bible tells us our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit if we are saved. We are also told to be faithful stewards... this applies not just to money, but to all we have.
Putting a poison in the bloodstream is not being a faithful steward.
Go ask a doctor what alcohol does to the stomach, kidney, liver and brain cells.
Paul wrote,
Hebrews 10:26-27 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
The truth has been delivered. I will not be held accountable for not delivering God's Word concerning alcohol.
Snitzelhoff
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HBSMN, you still haven't cited that mysterious verse that says "one glass of alcohol can send a soul straight to Hell." II Opinions 4:38, maybe?
Heavenly Pilgrim
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HP: I was referring to the apple Adam and Eve ate or possibly just tasted. The sin is in the willful disobedience to a known commandment of God, not the ‘thing’ itself. Alcohol consumption becomes a sin to the individual when God has granted you the light to realize its dangers and you understand that it would displease Him to partake of it. I do not believe all men have this light, just the same, I believe many are refusing the light or are walking behind light. If I am not even to look upon the wine if it is fermented that should tell us something.
Pr 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
standingfirminChrist
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Amen, HP!
Those who refuse to see the light choose to walk in darkness because their deeds are evil.
Jesus said 'they loved the darkness rather than light.
Those who refuse to see the light choose to walk in darkness because their deeds are evil.
Jesus said 'they loved the darkness rather than light.
Diggin in da Word said:
HUH? You agreed that just one glass of alcohol could cause someone to get a DUI - I just refuted that lie. That's all I was saying. God set up natural laws and one of them is that one glass of wine will not get you arrested for driving under the influence. The truth is not foolishness with God. Be careful how you use the Lord's Name and Word. Adding anything to Scripture is a sin - and it's looking like you're getting close!
Deut 4:2 "You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you."
Deut 12:32 ""Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.
Ann
standingfirminChrist
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annsni,
As was posted a few posts up by HP, we are not even to look at fermented beverage.
Deut 4:2 "You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you."
Deut 12:32 ""Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.
I see nothing added in DidW's statement. You don't like his witness of the truth, take it up with God.
Man may say such and such is a legal limit, but God's Word forbids us to even look at the drink. And some do drink one drink and get a DUI, I do know this, I worked a bar many years ago and saw many of the patrons arrested after just one drink.
I also have had brothers who I can attest to the fact that they had just one drink and were for DUI.
Besides, whether the police catch a person or not, God knows all and sees all. And my God keeps a record.
As was posted a few posts up by HP, we are not even to look at fermented beverage.
Deut 4:2 "You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you."
Deut 12:32 ""Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.
I see nothing added in DidW's statement. You don't like his witness of the truth, take it up with God.
Man may say such and such is a legal limit, but God's Word forbids us to even look at the drink. And some do drink one drink and get a DUI, I do know this, I worked a bar many years ago and saw many of the patrons arrested after just one drink.
I also have had brothers who I can attest to the fact that they had just one drink and were for DUI.
Besides, whether the police catch a person or not, God knows all and sees all. And my God keeps a record.
Diggin in da Word
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annsni,
if you believe one drink will not get you a dui, then drink a drink, get behind the wheel and go riding around until you see a police. Then do something to get pulled over. When he comes to your window, tell him you drank a beer or a glass of wine before getting behind that wheel. I guarantee, if he is a good police officer, he will issue you a ticket for dui.
if you believe one drink will not get you a dui, then drink a drink, get behind the wheel and go riding around until you see a police. Then do something to get pulled over. When he comes to your window, tell him you drank a beer or a glass of wine before getting behind that wheel. I guarantee, if he is a good police officer, he will issue you a ticket for dui.
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