Is Drinking Wine Wrong??

[mojoala]

Luke 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

God the Son drank wine and was accused of being a drunk. Are you that forbid the drinking of wine doing the same?

 

[webdog]

Le 10:9
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
Le 10:10
And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
Le 10:11
And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.

Aaron was not allowed to drink while in the tabernacle. If Jesus IS OUR sacrifice for our sins, how can he be allowed to drink wine? Makes NO SENSE!

What makes no sense is the taking of one passage given to Aaron and his sons...under the Law...regarding drinking WHILE IN THE TABERNACLE and twist that to mean drinking is sin. Nice try, but it doesn't work. Please explain Isaiah 25:6. All of you "drinking is sin" people ignore that text.

 

[webdog]

In Proverbs 20:1--Wine and strong drink are NOUNS--it is the WINE and the STRONG DRINK that is the SUBJECT --NOT drunkenness. All you are doing is trying to twist scripture to justify your use of alcoholic beverages. You may say you don't drink alcohol, but you talk in this thread and in others as if you do and in defending the drinking of alcohol, you are throwing a stumblingblock in the path of others which the Word explicitly forbids. The Word of God is the Judge and it has already judged those who refuse to walk in its light. I rest my case.

AMEN SoulWinningLady!!

:laugh: I have yet to see a glass of wine mock me or go into a raging fit.

Have I ever said I abstain from alcohol? I don't believe I have.

I think you and those with like mindedness are stumbling blocks for Christians who don't hold to the same foolish legalistic standards as you. The Word of God is the judge...not you.

 

[Gammy Pagoo]

Tylenol is a "legal" drug, too. Do you abstain from that?

I sure do--never touch the stuff!!

 

[webdog]

I sure do--never touch the stuff!!

Never get headaches, huh?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

:laugh: I have yet to see a glass of wine mock me or go into a raging fit.

Have I ever said I abstain from alcohol? I don't believe I have.

I think you and those with like mindedness are stumbling blocks for Christians who don't hold to the same foolish legalistic standards as you. The Word of God is the judge...not you.

I guess you must be saying God is foolish and legalistic too. It is His Holy Word that says 'Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.' 'Stay away from it!

It is not legalistic to obey God's Word. But it is very much liberalistic to live against it.

 

[Gammy Pagoo]

Never get headaches, huh?

Nope--I sure don't---except when I run into people on the BaptistBoard who are antagonistic.

 

[Alcott]

I guess you must be saying God is foolish and legalistic too. It is His Holy Word that says 'Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.' 'Stay away from it!
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Slick-- Yes or No....Did God say "Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to him whose life is bitter. Let him drink and forget his poverty And remember his trouble no more"? [Proverbs 31:6-7]

 

[webdog]

I guess you must be saying God is foolish and legalistic too. It is His Holy Word that says 'Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.' 'Stay away from it!
quote]

Slick-- Yes or No....Did God say "Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to him whose life is bitter. Let him drink and forget his poverty And remember his trouble no more"? [Proverbs 31:6-7]

Don't expect an answer. Any Scripture they don't like they discard. Still waiting on an answer how the Lord of Hosts will be making us sin someday by providing us with the best...WELL AGED wine (Isaiah 25:6)

 

[webdog]

Nope--I sure don't---except when I run into people on the BaptistBoard who are antagonistic.

Drinking is a sin...but lying isn't? Never had a headache, huh?

 

[webdog]

I guess you must be saying God is foolish and legalistic too.

Never said that. Your legalistic views are foolish.

 

[mojoala]

the Psalmist writes that "wine gladdens the heart of a man." God gave us the fruit of the vine to enjoy.

Psalm 104:15 –And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

H3196 yayin yah'-yin
From an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: - banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber].

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I guess you must be saying God is foolish and legalistic too. It is His Holy Word that says 'Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.' 'Stay away from it!
quote]

Slick-- Yes or No....Did God say "Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to him whose life is bitter. Let him drink and forget his poverty And remember his trouble no more"? [Proverbs 31:6-7]

Are those who are advocating the imbibing of alcoholic beverages perishing? Are they bitter? If so, they better check their walk with the Lord. My Bible tells me that Jesus gives joy, not bitterness. My Bible tells me God's people should be full of abundant life, not perishing.

And by the way... stop with the childish namecalling. It reveals too much about your heart.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Don't expect an answer. Any Scripture they don't like they discard. Still waiting on an answer how the Lord of Hosts will be making us sin someday by providing us with the best...WELL AGED wine (Isaiah 25:6)

Best wine, as has been shown time and time again, is not fermented. Read Deuteronomy 14:26 in context and you will find it is not fermented wine when compared with wine that the people refrained from later on in Deuteronomy. The Lord was pleased when they refrained from drinking the fermented wine! Wonder why?

 

[Alcott]

Are those who are advocating the imbibing of alcoholic beverages perishing? Are they bitter? If so, they better check their walk with the Lord. My Bible tells me that Jesus gives joy, not bitterness. My Bible tells me God's people should be full of abundant life, not perishing.

Where is you Yes or No answer? or are you a coward to give it?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Never said that. Your legalistic views are foolish.

My views line up with the Word of God. Again, is God foolish? Is God legalistic?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

the Psalmist writes that "wine gladdens the heart of a man." God gave us the fruit of the vine to enjoy.

Psalm 104:15 –And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

H3196 yayin yah'-yin
From an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: - banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber].

'Look not upon the wine when it is red...'


7200. ra'ah (Look)
Search for H7200 in KJVSL
har ra'ah raw-aw'

a primitive root; to see, literally or figuratively (in numerous applications, direct and implied, transitive, intransitive and causative):--advise self, appear, approve, behold, X certainly, consider, discern, (make to) enjoy, have experience, gaze, take heed, X indeed, X joyfully, lo, look (on, one another, one on another, one upon another, out, up, upon), mark, meet, X be near, perceive, present, provide, regard, (have) respect, (fore-, cause to, let) see(-r, -m, one another), shew (self), X sight of others, (e-)spy, stare, X surely, X think, view, visions. (Strongs)

Too many arguments in one verse to overlook the fact that God does not want His children drinking alcoholic beverages.

Do not provide - That friend of HP's provided alcohol for his son... no righteousness in that.

The wine that gladdens the heart cannot be the same wine that brings sorrow, such as the alcoholic beverage that Solomon speaks of in the twenty-third chapter of Proverbs.

The wine that gladdens the heart does not bite like a serpent and sting like an adder. It does not cause redness of eyes, it does not bring woe.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Where is you Yes or No answer? or are you a coward to give it?

I am no coward. I have given God's truth. You on the other hand are using a verse that says give to those ready to die and are bitter to advocate drinking on a regular basis. That, my friend, is twisting God's Holy Word.

 

[annsni]

Best wine, as has been shown time and time again, is not fermented. Read Deuteronomy 14:26 in context and you will find it is not fermented wine when compared with wine that the people refrained from later on in Deuteronomy. The Lord was pleased when they refrained from drinking the fermented wine! Wonder why?

I looked at the 14:26 passage and the word meanings DO mean fermented drink (especially the 'strong drink'). Can you give me the passage where they refrained? I'm too lazy to look it up (just rode 2 horses and I'm fried!)

 

[mojoala]

H7200 is the word for saw, see, seen, appear, looked upon. etc.

So what are you trying to say.

Wine has rendered only from two words.

The scripture I gave you renders it as alcoholic.