Is Faith Necessary for Salvation?

[psalms109:31]

Hi Psalms 109:31;


Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

How do we work the works of God if it's not being used by God to do his works? Can we do any work of God's with out God?
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
MB

What is the work we have to do to do the work of God. The work is to do the work of God is believe in Him. It is still our work to believe in God, it is what we must do.

This is the work that God ask us to do to do the work.

Without the words of our Lord which is Spirit and life we are going our own way Jesus did not do anything without the Father leading Him, just as we should do nothing unless it is Jesus leading and He leads us by His word.

We are going to go through many trials, but we must endure to the end to be saved and keep our focus on Jesus and His word, for we cannot do anything without Him.

You didn't have anything to believe in until God gave it to you through His word.

The work of God that God has called us to do is to believe in Jesus and He will lead the way

 

[Brother Bob]

1 Peter 3:
"18": For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

"19": By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

"20": Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Greatest preacher of all!!

You know it does not say He went "back" and preached to them that were in "prison" but by the same "Spirit" , Christ preached to them that were in prison. The scripture says "all" had sinned and come short of the Glory of God, therefore they were all prisoners of sin and by the same Spirit Christ preached to them. It is plain that by the same Spirit Christ preached to them under the Law and back then. It sure would give an answer for the question you all have been discussing on here on how was the Gospel preached to all those who the two legged preacher never got too, if Christ Himself preached to them.

 

[Baptist_Pastor/Theologian]

My bad Blammo, I think I got you confused with some of the others in this discussion like webdog. .

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The above notion is absurd. How does me quoting what a moderator said on this board constitute an attack? Based on the above warning you would think I read someone the riot act. All I did is quote what a said moderator posted on this thread. How is that an attack?

Let's try and use some restraint in how we edit others comments here guys and you guys really if you can dish it then you need to be able to take.

 

[webdog]

There have been millions of people who have already died that never heard the gospel. But among all those people there must have been at least a few that did respond to the general revelation that God gives every man.

Amy, you state this as fact. How do you know this?

 

[webdog]

My bad Blammo, I think I got you confused with some of the others in this discussion like webdog. .

***Personal attack against Moderator removed***[/quote]
You must be really confused, as I have never said what you are claiming.

 

[Amy.G]

1 Peter 3:
"18": For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

"19": By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

"20": Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Greatest preacher of all!!

You know it does not say He went "back" and preached to them that were in "prison" but by the same "Spirit" , Christ preached to them that were in prison. The scripture says "all" had sinned and come short of the Glory of God, therefore they were all prisoners of sin and by the same Spirit Christ preached to them. It is plain that by the same Spirit Christ preached to them under the Law and back then. It sure would give an answer for the question you all have been discussing on here on how was the Gospel preached to all those who the two legged preacher never got too, if Christ Himself preached to them.

Yes Bob, this is one of points I was trying to make. Why couldn't Christ preach to them Himself?

 

[Amy.G]

Amy, you state this as fact. How do you know this?

I didn't mean to make it sound like it was a fact. It's just my opinion I guess. I do know that not everyone on the planet has heard the gospel in the traditional sense (missionaries), but I don't know for a fact if one of them responded to general revelation. My comment was in response to someone else's post about general revelation preparing a heart for the gospel.

 

[webdog]

I didn't mean to make it sound like it was a fact. It's just my opinion I guess. I do know that not everyone on the planet has heard the gospel in the traditional sense (missionaries), but I don't know for a fact if one of them responded to general revelation. My comment was in response to someone else's post about general revelation preparing a heart for the gospel.

Thanks for the further explanation. It will be neat to see in Heaven all of the ways God has used to get the Gospel to all four corners of the earth. It amazes me that some feel that humans are God's only means to spreading the Gospel, in light of the angel in Rev. 14:6 who will preach the Gospel in the future.

 

[Amy.G]

Thanks for the further explanation. It will be neat to see in Heaven all of the ways God has used to get the Gospel to all four corners of the earth. It amazes me that some feel that humans are God's only means to spreading the Gospel, in light of the angel in Rev. 14:6 who will preach the Gospel in the future.

Yes, webdog. I agree with you. This is what I've been trying to say. Or maybe I've learned it along the way. If humans are the only way, then it's for sure there will be failures. What is impossible for man is possible with God. Amen? To just make a blanket statement that if a missionary has not gotten the gospel to someone they are doomed seems wrong to me and limits God. I agree with you that it will be neat to see what God has done when we get to heaven. There is so much that we still dont' know as yet.
:godisgood:

 

[MB]

Hi Psalms 109:31;

What is the work we have to do to do the work of God. The work is to do the work of God is believe in Him. It is still our work to believe in God, it is what we must do.

It's still the work of God, man cannot save Him self. To believe or work the works to me means that they wanted to be involved and was merely asking just how. Salvation does involve belief you can't be saved with out it, but it is the work of God that anyone believes because God made it possible. We do not convince ourselves. We are convinced by the hearing of the word. The word is God's work so that we can believe. The fact that God made Salvation available is how and why it is all of God.

Without the words of our Lord which is Spirit and life we are going our own way Jesus did not do anything without the Father leading Him, just as we should do nothing unless it is Jesus leading and He leads us by His word.

The leading of Jesus I suppose you can look at it that way. I have always looked at it as a beckoning, a drawing, or a call. He say in;
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

We are going to go through many trials, but we must endure to the end to be saved and keep our focus on Jesus and His word, for we cannot do anything without Him.

Amen

You didn't have anything to believe in until God gave it to you through His word.

True with out His communication to us how could we know of Him.

The work of God that God has called us to do is to believe in Jesus and He will lead the way

I believe I know in which way you mean work. Although being receptive is hardly a work. If the Spirit has convinced me it was because of His work rather than anything I did. I say this mainly because of this passage;
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

MB

 

[psalms109:31]

Scripture

WE boast in Jesus Christ because the wages of our sin is death.

We have to trust in Jesus for our salvation, for thier is no other name on earth that man can be saved.

Belief is not work for our salvation, but it is work of trusting in Jesus work for our salvation.

Believing that belief is a work for our salvation is a lie. The wages of our sin is death.

Belief is the work God called us to do, but it is our work.

Knowing this brings praise to Jesus, because we know by believing that it is the work of Jesus that saved us.

This is the work of God that we believe in His Son. It is showing who gave us the work.

If God gave us something to do we can do it, or He would not of set the choice and the consequences before us.

To believe in His Son and be saved or not and be condemned.

God loved the world that He gave it a hope in Jesus and we are the messengers.

God does want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

We do have good news for this world.

God has placed life and death before us so choose Jesus and live.

 

[AVBunyan]

What then saves - your belief in Christ or what Christ did at Calvary?

God bless

 

[Blammo]

Your faith in what Christ did at Calvary.

 

[Brother Bob]

Yes Bob, this is one of points I was trying to make. Why couldn't Christ preach to them Himself?

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
1 Peter 3:
"18": For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

"19": By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

"20": Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Greatest preacher of all!!

You know it does not say He went "back" and preached to them that were in "prison" but by the same "Spirit" , Christ preached to them that were in prison. The scripture says "all" had sinned and come short of the Glory of God, therefore they were all prisoners of sin and by the same Spirit Christ preached to them. It is plain that by the same Spirit Christ preached to them under the Law and back then. It sure would give an answer for the question you all have been discussing on here on how was the Gospel preached to all those who the two legged preacher never got too, if Christ Himself preached to them.

Am I starting to get some agreement now?????

 

[Baptist_Pastor/Theologian]

***Personal attack against Moderator removed***

You must be really confused, as I have never said what you are claiming.[/quote]
Yeah, I realize that now. Sorry for the mix-up. I am glad you believe the gospel is indispensable for salvation.

 

[Brother Bob]

Gal: 1
7: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10: For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11: But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12: For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Romans 1:
"16": For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Hebrews, chapter 4

"1": Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

"2": For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

 

[psalms109:31]

Your faith in what Christ did at Calvary.

Amen brother

 

[Brother Bob]

Acts:
33: Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground.
34: I have seen, I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send thee into Egypt.
35: This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
36: He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
37: This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. (Jesus)
38: This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

 

[MB]

We have to trust in Jesus for our salvation, for thier is no other name on earth that man can be saved.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I agree

Belief is not work for our salvation, but it is work of trusting in Jesus work for our salvation.

Believing that belief is a work for our salvation is a lie. The wages of our sin is death.

Belief is the work God called us to do, but it is our work.

I don't believe that belief it self is a work. but rather the result of the work of God. Belief in fact is being convinced of what we believe. There isn't any work on our part involved.

Knowing this brings praise to Jesus, because we know by believing that it is the work of Jesus that saved us.

If you mean the cross and what Christ did there as His work this act only made it possible for men to be saved. We are saved by Grace through faith. The atonement only made this possible.

This is the work of God that we believe in His Son. It is showing who gave us the work.

I disagree belief in Christ is not a work but is the results of being convinced.

If God gave us something to do we can do it, or He would not of set the choice and the consequences before us.

To believe in His Son and be saved or not and be condemned.

True.

God loved the world that He gave it a hope in Jesus and we are the messengers.

We cannot have hope unless we believe because with out faith there is no hope.

God does want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

We do have good news for this world.

God has placed life and death before us so choose Jesus and live.

True we do choose. Salvation is not forced on man. The man must first listen to have Faith, or be convinced, so that belief can occur. Some men like the richman who asked Jesus how to obtain eternal life.Cannot give up what they have for Him. We will not be saved if we value anything more than Christ.
MB

 

[psalms109:31]

i understand

I understand why you might believe that.

I have to take in concideration that God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowlege of the truth.

With knowing this i have to concure that This is the work of God as it is given to us by God through His word, that we believe in Jesus.

We still have the choice, but it is God who has given to us.

It is the work of God through His word, without His word we can't do anything.

Through His word we can either believe Jesus and be saved or not and be condemned.

God has set before us life and death, so choose Jesus and live.
God has not inclined your heart in any direction, but has given you a clear choice

Trust in Jesus and do not let any man say you cannot.

The whole world has a hope through Jesus.

God has put all these regulation men keep placing in front of you aside and has given you a better hope to draw near to God through Jesus