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Is God a Liar?

Dave G

Dave G

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utilyan said:
If a unbeliever does not believe the testimony that God has given him eternal life in his son is this TRUE OR FALSE?

Scripture clearly says it is believing a LIE when you don't believe Jesus Christ died for you.
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I disagree and I must state this:

No,
Scripture does not say that it is believing a lie when you don't believe that Jesus Christ died for you...
Scripture says that it is believing a lie when you don't believe that there is eternal life in Jesus Christ.


That said,
I wish you well, sir, and may He bless you with much knowledge and grace.
 
S

SGO

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God has given His gift to the whole world but
the gift only becomes effectual when the recipient receives it.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

But as many as received him,
to them gave he the power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:
John 1:12
 
atpollard

atpollard

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37818 said:
When we use any translation or tranlsation aid we are in fact following the teachings of men as some level.
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When you recover the original Autographs, we can all learn Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic and read them for ourselves. Until then there is a HUGE difference between a Translation of the book of Romans and a Commentary by Calvin or Gills on the book of Romans.
 
37818

37818

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atpollard said:
When you recover the original Autographs, we can all learn Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic and read them for ourselves. Until then there is a HUGE difference between a Translation of the book of Romans and a Commentary by Calvin or Gills on the book of Romans.
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How does anyone learn anything without any teachings of man on any topic, let along Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek.
 
Dave G

Dave G

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SGO said:
But as many as received him,
to them gave he the power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:
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" He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. " ( John 1:10-13 ).

;)
 
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percho

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Dave G said:
Except his explanation doesn't add up, from where I'm standing.
Read it in the AV, Steven:

" He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." ( 1 John 5:10-12 ).

Here's what I see at first glance:

10) He that believes on the Son has the witness in himself...the Holy Spirit ( see Romans 8:9-10 ).
He that does not believe God has made him ( "him" who? ) a liar, because ( Middle English: from the phrase by cause, influenced by Old French par cause de ‘by reason of’. ) he does not believe the record that God gave of His Son.
11) This is the record...that God has given to...whom? Believers...eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12) He that has the Son has life, he that doesn't, doesn't.

With that said, here's the first problem that I come to when I examine things closer, especially in the light of other Scritpures...
No one can make God, who cannot lie ( Numbers 23:19, Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18 ) into a liar, except in their own minds.

Secondly,

Look at the passage real close...
To me, it's not saying that "he that doesn't believe God has made God a liar";
It's saying that "he that doesn't believe God has made himself a liar".

"He that does not believe God has made him ( Strong's G846, " αὐτός", transliterated into the English as, " autos" and meaning:
  1. himself, herself, themselves, itself
  2. he, she, it
  3. the same )
Source: G846 - autos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)

...a liar, because ( by reason of ) he does not believe the record that God gave of His Son."
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What is the witness that is in him? Is it not, Christ in you the hope of glory? How did that witness get in him? Was it poured into him? Is it not the Spirit of Truth? Is that why a believer is, a believer because he has had the Truth put in him?
 
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MB

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percho said:
What is the witness that is in him? Is it not, Christ in you the hope of glory? How did that witness get in him? Was it poured into him? Is it not the Spirit of Truth? Is that why a believer is, a believer because he has had the Truth put in him?
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Exactly Right. A men
MB
 
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