Is GW Bush an authentic Christian!?

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Jay and Kelly:
Is GW Bush an authentic Christian!?

Yes. The problem is that it's incredibly difficult to incorporate your faith when you're in the political public eye and under constant scrutiny. Goodness, the man can't so much as eat a cheeseburger without someone criticising him for it. It has much less to do with the man in the position, and more to do with the rest of us who, by way of our sinful nature, find ease in our armchair criticism where the repercussions of such criticism are nearly nonexistent. Even if Christ himself were POTUS, we'd still be armchair criticizing. It's normal, but sinful, human nature.

 

[Pastor Larry]

George W. Bush may be a Christian, but certainly he is a Christian lacking in compassion and integrity. He is certainly not a good witness to the Christian faith.

Man, you're so judgmental. How in the world can you be so judgmental? Talk about lacking in compassion and integrity ...

 

[chipsgirl]

It's not for me to decide. Why would you even ask such a question?

 

[hillclimber]

He has a lot more integrity and exhibits Christian values a lot more than some on here. I believe he will do exactly what he says he'll do, and that is a lot more than I can say for any previous administration, save Reagan. If he possibly can, that is.

 

[Enoch]

Yes he is a Christian.

 

[Priscilla Ann]

Pastor Larry:

It's not up to me to judge George W. Bush. Only God can do that.

I simply stated my opinion of Bush based on his actions during his five years in the White House.

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by Priscilla Ann:
Pastor Larry:

It's not up to me to judge George W. Bush. Only God can do that.

I simply stated my opinion of Bush based on his actions during his five years in the White House.

You actually based your opinion on the evil rhetoric spewed by the leftists in the Dem. party, and most certainly not on the President's actions.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Bush on Religion and God
President Says He Believes Muslims and Christians Pray to Same God

Oct. 26, 2004 - While the president often refers to God during public addresses to his supporters, Bush's religious convictions don't always seem to reflect those of the conservative Christians who make up his political base.

In an exclusive interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson, Bush said he believes that both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

"I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty," Bush said.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Bush Unworthy of the Christian Vote
Reed R. Heustis, Jr.
October 29, AD 2004
http://www.reedheustis.com

I couldn't believe my own ears when I heard it myself. Goosebumps riddled my body, and my blood curdled. Earlier this week on ABC News, our "Christian" President George W. Bush proclaimed in front of a national audience that Christians and Muslims worship "the same god". (To see and view the interview online, please visit: http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/elections/article.adp?id=20041026095909990008)

Bush also said that Muslims and non-Christians both go to heaven because "we have different routes of getting there."

These statements are utter rejections of the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Said Christ, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) No genuine Christian would ever proclaim that Muslims and Christians worship the same deity.

The Book of John says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3)

This is a clear reference to the Creator God. Later in the same chapter it is revealed, "the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us," which is a reference to the Creator God taking on human shape in the form of Jesus Christ.

This begs the question, If Muslims worship the same "Creator God", then how can Muslims logically reject Christ's deity?

It just cannot be said by any stretch of the imagination, unless you're a President attempting to bamboozle Christian voters yet again, that Muslims and Christians worship the same god.

Mere disagreements on peripheral issues are acceptable. Some Christians believe in infant baptism, while others do not. Many differ in their views of "end times" theology. Some embrace "charismatic" means of worship, while others abide by regulative principles. These issues and others are non-essential in that honest disagreements may occur even amongst saved Bible-believing Christians.

However, essential Christian doctrine can never be compromised!

The deity of Jesus Christ is essential, and President Bush not only compromised on this doctrine, but he embraced the demonic view of Universalism, the false belief that all roads lead to God.

 

[Priscilla Ann]

Hillclimber:

I assure you that my opinions of Bush are my own, based on President Bush's actions. My opinions are not based on the rhetoric of others. I do not need anyone to think for me. (People who need someone to think for them can just watch FOX News.)

PA

 

[Johnv]

I said it before and I'll say it again. If Christ himself were POTUS, we'd be questioning if he was a real Christian or not. It's our human sinful nature to criticize the elected leaders, regardless of whether it's warranted or not.

 

[Debby in Philly]

Here, here!

No matter who the president was, Democrat or Republician, or Independent, the media, famous people and just about everybody else would find fault. It's fashionable to complain.

 

[RTG]

Strait and narrow makes some good points,I wonder if someone were making some of the statements on the BB that George W has made to the world if we would be giving them a pass.What do you think his pastor thinks?Where is he getting his counsel?I don't know if he's saved or not,he needs our prayers.GWB's belief's are worthy of debate in light of what he has claimed and said.He's the leader of our country!Our children will read about him.Will it line up?

 

[Rocko9]

One thing is for sure is that George Bush has comprimised his Christian principals for the sake of the Presidency. We know it is true that you cannot serve two masters, the best we can do is to continue in Prayer for our President and ask that he will allow God to lead him instead of giving into worldly ways.

 

[MatthewHenry]

Well, lets go to the Bible...:

If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. (Romans 12:18-21 KJV)

and...

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. (Galatians 5:22-23 KJV

From Matthew Poole's commentary:

The fruit of the Spirit; those habits which the Holy Spirit of God produceth in those in whom it dwelleth and worketh, with those acts which flow from them, as naturally as the tree produceth its fruit, are,

love to God, and to our neighbours:

joy; the soul’s satisfaction in its union with God, as the greatest and highest good; with an actual rejoicing in Christ, and in what is for his honour and glory, called a rejoicing in the truth, 1Co_13:6; and in the good of our brethren, Rom_12:15:

peace; quietude of conscience, or peace with God, (of which peace of conscience is a copy), and a peaceable disposition towards men, opposed to strife, variance, emulations, &c.:

long-suffering; opposed to a hastiness to revenge, and inclining us patiently to bear injuries:

gentleness; sweetness and kindness of temper, by which we accommodate ourselves, and become mutually useful to each other:

goodness; a disposition in us to hurt none, but to do all the good we can to all:

faith; by faith seemeth here to be meant, truth in words, faithfulness in promises, and in dealings one with another.

Meekness; forbearance of passion, rash anger, and hastiness of spirit:

temperance; a sober use of meats, drinks, apparel, or any thing wherein our senses are delighted. Many of these are moral virtues, and such as some have attained to by moral discipline, the cultivating of their natures by education, and moral philosophy: yet they are also the fruits of the Spirit of God; such as it doth always work in the souls wherein it dwelleth (though in different measures and degrees): only the moral man thus comporteth himself from principles of reason, showing him the beauty and comeliness of such a conversation, and aims no Ligher in it, than a happiness of converse in this life, his own honour and reputation. But the spiritual man, doing the same things, aimeth at a higher end (the glorifying of God, and saving his own soul); and doth these things from a fear of God, out of love to him, and out of faith, as seeing in them the will of God.

Against such (saith the apostle) there is no law; no law to accuse or to condemn them; for these are things which the law commandeth to be done, and are acts of obedience to the law. So as those who do these things are led by the Spirit, and are not under the condemning power or curse of the law.

G.W. Bush possesses NONE of these Fruits.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:16-23 KJV)

'Nuff Said.

MP

 

[Brother James]

The popes a good christian too.

 

[Pastor Larry]

G.W. Bush possesses NONE of these Fruits.

Many people who actually know Bush apart from the media's spin differ with you. Who is right? Who knows? But to use your limited knowledge and imagination to contradict the man's very clear testimony of faith is misguided at best.

In the end, we didn't elect him as a Christian, but as a president. I am not saying he is saved. I, just like you, have no idea.

 

[LadyEagle]

It's just a glich. People need to get over it.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Originally posted by Rocko9:
One thing is for sure is that George Bush has comprimised his Christian principals for the sake of the Presidency. We know it is true that you cannot serve two masters, the best we can do is to continue in Prayer for our President and ask that he will allow God to lead him instead of giving into worldly ways.

What Christian principles are you referring to here? That our God and Allah are the same god?

 

[Rocko9]

Originally posted by StraightAndNarrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rocko9:
One thing is for sure is that George Bush has comprimised his Christian principals for the sake of the Presidency. We know it is true that you cannot serve two masters, the best we can do is to continue in Prayer for our President and ask that he will allow God to lead him instead of giving into worldly ways.

What Christian principles are you referring to here? That our God and Allah are the same god? </font>[/QUOTE] Are they???????????? I didn't think there was such a thing as a real Allah. I do think George Bush knows better than to say that we all worship the same God , and that is where he makes his comprimises.