Originally posted by robycop3:
Deacon Lew, the Scriptures were speaking of Jesus' 12 disciples, 11 of whom became Apostles after Jesus was resurrected, in Matthew 5. And just as when I say,"I drive a Ford", you'd understand me as saying I drive a motor vehicle made by FoMoCo. However, FoMoCo makes many kinds of MV, so you'd ask me, which one. If at first I'd said, "I drive an F-150", you'd known instantly what I drive.
I think this whole thread is merely an attempt to justify the KJV's rendering of "hell" for ALL the different abodes of the wicked dead and wicked angels. None of 'em are pleasant places, and all could be justifiably called "hell", but the GREEK is SPECIFIC in its naming of each place, and while the generic KJV rindering of "hell" isn't incorrect, it's not the BEST rendering, either. I've often been asked by novice KJV readers how hell can be cast into itself(Rev.20:14) & had to take time to explain the hell/hades thing.
What's wrong with the correct specific literal meanings?
How come we don't sprinkle babies? Is it because dipping saves you? Is it because it wears off if you do it too soon? Its because you have to believe before you get baptised. Baptism is an act of obedience for a believer. If you never got baptised, you would still be a believer, and you would still recieve the promise of the last day.
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at
the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
We are nearing the end of 6000 years of history from the creation. 6 days.
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of
the seventh day on this wise, And God did
rest the seventh day from all his works.
The 1000 year kingdom is the 7th day, the day of rest.
Leviticus 23
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on
the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
John 7
37 In
the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
The 8th day, into eternity, is the last day in scripture. It is
after the 7th day of rest. The first resurrection is at the beginning of the 7th day, the second, final resurrection is after.
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again
until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
We enter into that rest by obedience. Moses and Israel were delivered out of egypt, as a picture of our deliverance from the bondage of sin. However, not all the Jews that were deivered from Egypt, Moses included, entered into the promised land. The OT promised land is a type of the millennial kingdom. See Hebrews 3 and 4.
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of
entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
This is not an attempt to justify the KJV rendering. The KJV rendering is correct. This is an attempt to get you to see that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, by the finished work of Christ on the cross
alone, just as the bible says. We are also going to be judged for our works, just as the bible says. But just as I said at the beginning of this thread, because the new bibles blur this distinction between hell and the lake of fire, you see warnings of hell fire addressed to Christians, and wrongly believe these warnings mean you can lose your salvation.
Satan has you working for your free salvation, and resting in regard to the reward you are told to work for. 1000 years in hell is going to seem like an eternity, especially since that fire wont be quenched. But it will be cast into the lake of fire when its purpose is fulfilled. Everyone that was in hell will be raised up
on the last day and those that are not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire with it.
