Is it manditory For A man To be married To be Pastor?

[Robert Snow]

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

The same must modifies every qualification for the office.

If husband of one wife was cultural then so must be; blameless; vigilant; sober; good behaviour; given to hospitality; apt to teach.

The reason that some use the cultural excuse for their sin is because they cannot refute clear scripture and it makes them look righteous when in fact they are no different then if a lost person holds the office of pastor. It is called rebellion.So the day has nothing to do with it, but the heart does and the pure in heart would obey the scripture as it is given.

What happens if a pastor's wife suddenly dies. Should he immediately resign his office in shame, or should he perhaps quickly run off with one of the unmarried secretaries? :laugh:

 

[Skandelon]

Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Yep, I do it everyday. My wife and I disagree often.

If I were in a church with you I'd probably submit my will to yours and limit our choices to only married men, because you seem to have a strong conviction and I wouldn't want to cause you to stumble or cause unnecessary strife in our fellowship. That is what being a family is all about.

 

[webdog]

The same way that Paul took care of God's churches who he helped to start. He proved to be a pretty good manager, right?

...so did Martha, she was even barking orders to Jesus...was she qualified?

Plus, if a man doesn't have children the management is quite different, don't you think?

...to a degree, but a man is still the leader over someone he loves and cares for, what the Lord is looking for in caring for amd loving on His family (theres that v.5 again )

I remember when it was just me and my wife and she helped me manage things making life easier. I'm not sure just having a wife would prove that someone has that characteristic, just as not having one would prove they didn't have that characteristic.

having a wife shows a man is committed to voluntarily lead, care for, love and support another
who is looking to them for support. A single man does not have this experience.

 

[Skandelon]

...to a degree, but a man is still the leader over someone he loves and cares for, what the Lord is looking for in caring for amd loving on His family (theres that v.5 again

And Paul clearly loved the people in the churches he started.

having a wife shows a man is committed to voluntarily lead, care for, love and support another

So does being a Godly minister in a lessor role of the body for a time, but as I said to Free, we'll just agree to disagree.

Who knows you won me over on the toilet paper role thing, you may win me over on this too. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[webdog]

And Paul clearly loved the people in the churches he started.
So does being a Godly minister in a lessor role of the body for a time, but as I said to Free, we'll just agree to disagree.

Not a problem, as we see it's a pretty broad manner of interpretation. I don't think Paul is the best example to use, though. Everything about his ministry is unique.

Who knows you won me over on the toilet paper role thing, you may win me over on this too. :smilewinkgrin:

you tried it? Having a son who is just learning to wipe his own butt I also found the added benefit of a clean tear and not shredded from over the top

 

[mandym]

Is it manditory For A man To be married To be Pastor?

No////////////

 

[freeatlast]

What happens if a pastor's wife suddenly dies. Should he immediately resign his office in shame, or should he perhaps quickly run off with one of the unmarried secretaries? :laugh:

Based on the text the intent of the qualifications are given so that the church has a man who is qualified to lead the church, dealing with all the problems that arise so thta the church grows into maturity. The part about him being married is a preparation for such as well as a determining factor for the church to use in deciding if this man is capable for the task. if a man cannot lead his own household how can he lead the house of God?
I am afraid that today far too many churches are being led by men that miss the qualifications laid out in scripture and the church is suffering dearly for it.
So to your question. We will assume that the man in question met all the qualifications that our Lord gives and was leading the church into maturity. The fact that his wife dies doe not disqualify him as he is no less sound in his manner of leading before the her death. So he is not disqualified.

 

[freeatlast]

Yep, I do it everyday. My wife and I disagree often.

If I were in a church with you I'd probably submit my will to yours and limit our choices to only married men, because you seem to have a strong conviction and I wouldn't want to cause you to stumble or cause unnecessary strife in our fellowship. That is what being a family is all about.

Well perhaps the word of God is wrong and you have found a higher standard.

 

[Skandelon]

Well perhaps the word of God is wrong and you have found a higher standard.

No, that response is something I actually learned in the scriptures. Read Romans 14.

 

[JesusFan]

Well perhaps the word of God is wrong and you have found a higher standard.

maybe he found a better interpretation of the passage and meaning that Apostle and Jesus intended for it!

 

[freeatlast]

No, that response is something I actually learned in the scriptures. Read Romans 14.

I don't see any correlation. What are you referring to?

 

[Skandelon]

I don't see any correlation. What are you referring to?

I'm referring to Paul's response to those who disagree with him over disputable matters. He responds to those who don't eat meat in the same manner I would choose to respond to you regarding this matter if we were in the same church so as to keep the peace and not cause anyone to stumble.

 

[freeatlast]

I'm referring to Paul's response to those who disagree with him over disputable matters. He responds to those who don't eat meat in the same manner I would choose to respond to you regarding this matter if we were in the same church so as to keep the peace and not cause anyone to stumble.

Thank you for the explaination. I agree.

 

[glfredrick]

I'm wondering out loud here, but how much of the insistence that a pastor be married stems from an anti-Catholic bias and not just the Scriptures, which seem to offer some leeway in the issue?

And with that thought, let's not re-hash what has already been said above. I know the qualifications of an elder or a deacon from the texts in Scripture that mention them. As has been said above, if that is the stipulation, then children living in the home are also a requirement, which would disqualify many a pastor. I'm not set out against Scripture at all, but I think that there has been an "argument from silence" fallacy made in some of this debate.

 

[JesusFan]

I'm wondering out loud here, but how much of the insistence that a pastor be married stems from an anti-Catholic bias and not just the Scriptures, which seem to offer some leeway in the issue?

And with that thought, let's not re-hash what has already been said above. I know the qualifications of an elder or a deacon from the texts in Scripture that mention them. As has been said above, if that is the stipulation, then children living in the home are also a requirement, which would disqualify many a pastor. I'm not set out against Scripture at all, but I think that there has been an "argument from silence" fallacy made in some of this debate.

Agreed, seems to be reflecting 'fear" of catholic view on being celibate to serve Lord...

Why would it be a violation to have a single celibate man serve as pastor. as both jesus and paul said that was a calling/Gift from the Lord and to be perferred?

IF worried not able to relate to family situations, would that mean jesus could not 'relate?"

 

[webdog]

Agreed, seems to be reflecting 'fear" of catholic view on being celibate to serve Lord...

One of the most ridiculous things I have read lately...fear of catholicism? :laugh:

Why would it be a violation to have a single celibate man serve as pastor. as both jesus and paul said that was a calling/Gift from the Lord and to be perferred?

Let's let Scripture tell you (which Paul penned, ironically)
(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?)

IF worried not able to relate to family situations, would that mean jesus could not 'relate?"

Non Sequiter

 

[JesusFan]

One of the most ridiculous things I have read lately...fear of catholicism? :laugh:

Fear of havin single men minister unto the lord
Let's let Scripture tell you (which Paul penned, ironically)
(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?)

Apostle paul just addressing situation IF applicate was married case though!
NOT saying ONLY married need apply!

Non Sequiter

IF jesus was qualified, why not all of his people who are He was/is "married" to God?

 

[Jerome]

Must one be married with children to have a household (oikos)? How about Lazarus/Mary/Martha?

 

[JesusFan]

Must one be married with children to have a household (oikos)? How about Lazarus/Mary/Martha?

Are we SURE paul was not giving guidelines to those applicants who were married? Not saying ONLY married could be pastors?

 

[glfredrick]

One of the most ridiculous things I have read lately...fear of catholicism? :laugh:

Not precisely the way you state it. Rather, a fear of identifying with a doctrine that is seen as primarily Catholic. I have seen that fear expressed often and with force both here and elsewhere. In fact, many a "traditional" Baptist doctrine is precisely a reaction against a corresponding RC doctrine, which at the end of the day may be a horrible way to formulate doctrines that effect the work of the church.

Let's let Scripture tell you (which Paul penned, ironically)
(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?)

Does a man without wife and children still have a household to manage? Seemingly so, unless he lives in a monastery and that is handled for him.

Non Sequiter

I have just demonstrated why this is not a non sequitur.