Is It Nothing to You?

[KenH]

So Israel has not be replaced by the church but I am sure you will continue in your misunderstanding of the covenants of God.

The Bible is ALL about Christ from the first page to the last page, and the finished salvation that He accomplished for God's elect, given to Him before the world began to be their Surety. EVERYTHING in the Bible revolves around Christ.

 

[MrW]

What was your point?


What was your ppint?

37818, kyredneck thinks the Church has replaced Israel and all the promises God made to Israel now belong to the Church, because we are the “Israel of God”, and Israel no more to God than Iceland or England.

 

[CJP69]

@CJP69 When Christ Jesus died on the cross, at that point do you believe that there were only two members of the Godhead still in existence, still sovereignly ruling over creation, until Christ Jesus arose from the dead, and then there were three members of the Godhead again?

NO!

Death DOES NOT mean to cease to exist. No one who ever exists will ever cease to exist - period.

To be dead is to cease to have life - when our bodies die, they cease to have life.

No, that is not a definition that is a tautology.

How do you suppose it is possible for you to absent from your body?

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.​

Is it not our soul/spirit that leaves the body? This is what physical death is.

Spiritual death is similar except that it isn't a separation from our physical body but from God.

When Adam, as the representative of the human race, sinned, he died spiritually; he ceased to have spiritual life, which became the case for all those whom he represented.

Adam's spirit did not cease to exist but his relationship, His fellowship with God, who is Spirit, was severed.

When Christ Jesus' human body died, He still existed as divine almighty God.

True! More precisely, He still existed as God the Son, the second person of the Trinity.

Only His human body ceased to have life for a period of time until His human body was resurrected.

No, Jesus Himself not only lamented being separated (i.e. forsaken by) the Father while on the cross (Matthew 27:46) but, after He had spent three days in the grave, He stated as plain as day that He had not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17).

 

[CJP69]

Are you saying that for three days that Christ was not ruling as He was before and after? I certainly hope you don't believe such unBiblical nonsense.

I have provided biblical evidence. You provide your personal opinions.

How would you know if I wonder or not?

If you were that stupid, you wouldn't be able to type the accusation.

Only in His human nature, not His divine nature.

As I said, you're the repeat yourself poster child.

Yes, they are.

HA!

Tell your Calvinist pastor that one! Hold your ground on it and see how fast you get booted out of your church!

The divine nature CANNOT die.

Then we are all still in our sin and without hope.

Anyone that believes that the divine nature can die is in serious heresy.

You are clearly obstinately implying that "Death" = "Does not exist", which I have repeatedly refuted and which you predictably ignore.

 

[KenH]

HA!

Obviously, they are separable as Christ did not always exist in the human nature.

Do you believe that Christ has always existed in the human nature as He has always existed in the divine nature?

 

[KenH]

If you were that stupid, you wouldn't be able to type the accusation.

You should really stop with the snark and stick to the issues.

 

[CJP69]

Obviously, they are separable as Christ did not always exist in the human nature.

It called the hypostatic union, Ken. It's a favorite doctrine of practically the entire Christian church (with some variation between sects) and it states in no uncertain terms that the two natures, once combined, cannot be separated; that Jesus was not in one sense God and in another sense Man but that He was at once the God-Man and that He remains so to this day and forever more.

Do you believe that Christ has always existed in the human nature as He has always existed in the divine nature?

No! Therefore, God is not immutable!

 

[CJP69]

You should really stop with the snark and stick to the issues.

There is NO SNARK!

I said precisely what I meant.

 

[KenH]

the two natures, once combined, cannot be separated;

Yet only Christ died in only His human nature, not His divine nature. If we agree on this, then we can cease this back-and-forth on the subject.

 

[KenH]

I said precisely what I meant.

Which was snarky.

 

[CJP69]

Yet only Christ died in only His human nature, not His divine nature. If we agree on this, then we can cease this back-and-forth on the subject.

If it wasn't God that died on that cross, we are all still in our sin and are without hope.

 

[KenH]

If it wasn't God that died on that cross, we are all still in our sin and are without hope.

God was on the cross, but only His human nature died.

The divine nature CANNOT die.

 

[CJP69]

Which was snarky.

It wasn't. There was no sarcasm or hidden meaning or any other form of figure of speech. I know, for a fact, that you do not suspect that I'm a deist. That would be stupidity on a level incompatible with anyone's ability to read, never mind type up a post on an internet forum. Not to mention the fact that I've repeatedly said several things that are in direct contradiction to deism both on this thread and elsewhere. You know that I'm no deist and make the accusation anyway and then have the temerity to tell me not to be snarky!

 

[CJP69]

God was on the cross, but only His human nature died.

The divine nature CANNOT die.

Then we are all still in our sin and without hope.

 

[KenH]

Then we are all still in our sin and without hope.

None of Christ's elect who have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit and granted the gifts of faith and repentance from dead works is still in his sins and without hope.

 

[KenH]

I'm no deist

I am glad that you are not a Deist.

 

[KenH]

It is mind-boggling that this thread has evolved so far off of the original post about remembering Christ's death on the cross. One would think that anyone who calls himself a Christian would agree with remembering Christ's death on the cross, and move on to some other thread. Yet, here we are - over 130 posts later.

 

[MrW]

Re

Repeating your position doesn't count as an argument or rebuttal.

God did die or you are still in your sin! It is precisely the fact that the God who is of infinite value died that makes His death a just payment for the sins of all mankind. As a mere man, his death would have paid for another man's life but not the entire race.
THAT’S MORMONISM.

That's argument number two that I've presented. Please don't bore me with another repetition of your doctrine. Instead, be interesting and make an argument.

Please don’t YOU be rude. I will immediately place you on ignore. And if I repeat an answer, it’s because it went over your head the first time.

If you’re bored, SKIP my post and those more mature will read it and enjoy it.

Who made all men sinners?
Answer: Adam, because all humanity is born out of Adam (except the Lord Jesus).

One man’s one sin made ALL men (mankind) sinners because they all came from Adam.

Who made all men righteous?
Answer: Jesus Christ, the Second Adam, the Last Adam.

Why is Christ called “Adam”? (Second)
Answer: Because Adam is the first, the head, the progenitor of a race of beings that never existed before, and as Adam is the type (the figure), so the Lord Jesus is the first, the head, the progenitor of a race of beings that never existed before (born again men and women).

As in Adam all die, so in the Last Adam, all are made alive.

THEREFORE, as sin came by one MAN’s sin, many were made sinners unto condemnation, and even so by one MAN’s obedience, many were justified unto life.

One man represented all the lost.

One man represents all the saved.

And the beauty of it is one man’s one sin made all (in Adam) sinners but the one act of obedience by one MAN atoned for many sins and made all (in Christ) righteous, thus He did not have to die individually for each individual, but once for all, because all were in Adam.

Study the following, please:

Romans 5: 12 ¶ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one MAN, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 ¶ Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 ¶ Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 15: 21 For since by MAN came death, by MAN came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

God is immortal. He cannot die. Thus the necessity for God the Son to become a man, so He could die.

1 Timothy 6: 13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Christ is the God-Man. The man Christ Jesus died when He committed His Spirit to the Father, thus separating His Spirit from His flesh, and the body without the spirit is dead (James).

Now don’t tell me how to answer. You’re not my boss.

 

[JonC]

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