Everyone not a Christian denies that Jesus is Lord. I asked (and answered) earlier in this topic, why ask "Is it OK to vote for a Muslim?" instead of "Is it OK to vote for a non-Christian?".
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Is it ok for a Christian to vote for a Muslim?
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Everyone not a Christian denies that Jesus is Lord. I asked (and answered) earlier in this topic, why ask "Is it OK to vote for a Muslim?" instead of "Is it OK to vote for a non-Christian?".
Just because you're not a fan of the Kurds doesn't mean that many Islamophobes aren't fans of the terrorist Muslim Kurds and think of them as Christians (e.g. the link I provided from a Christian news website with the headline that calls them our Christian brothers and sisters).
Hundreds of thousands of Muslims (and their high birthrate) haven't come to the US because Bush said Islam is the religion of peace, but because there are US troops in the middle-east.
Trump didn't put troops in the middle-east and I applaud him pulling them out of Syria. I hope he brings a lot more troops home before he leaves office. Our foreign military entanglements, where we have no real self-defense interests, are traitorous to America.
The main motivation of the #NeverTrumpers is that they know Trump is anti-war and no fan of troops in the middle-east.
I'm exposing your irrationality and hypocrisy. Muslims lean more toward Republicanism than do Jews, yet you don't run around screaming about the horror of someone voting for a Jew. You apparently think Jews are Christians. If you can vote for a Jew, I can vote for a Jew or a Muslim.
This is where I tried my best to get to your solid bone skull that you might just want to read a little bit about Islam before going full numskull.
People who understand Islam know that it is a direct danger to western society and those who are Christian and understand Islam know that Islam is a direct threat to Christians.
But go ahead and continue to stick your head in that sand while screaming “Islamaphobe”.
What if the Muslim leaves his/her religion at the legislative door? If the Muslim also offers fealty to the Constitution of the United States and has a more secular conservative bent, I would have no problem with voting for that person. What would be worse, a person like I just described or a person like Nancy Pelosi?
Your posts are 100% emotional. I've supported my statements with evidence and reason.
And who was our ally at that particular time? Yep, that's right, Stalin - a man who was responsible for the death of millions of his own people.
So you're saying your Christianity is like sheep's clothing. You put it on and take it off as you need to.
Yes, and that worked so well for everyone - especially North Korea and the Eastern Bloc countries.
But there is a nice thing about Communist regimes - they eventually fall - in most cases in less than a hundred years if they aren't propped up. The same can't be said of Islam when it's left alone.
And allying with Stalin was not a good move. The alliance caused more problems than it solved.
No, what I am saying is I separate what is of faith and what is secular. You have placed all Muslims in the same box, those that are radical and those that are not. I will take a constitution respecting Muslim elected official any day over a Nancy Pelosi or Adam Schiff.
A person should be judged on their actions, not their particular religious affiliation. The former Democrat Congressman Keith Ellison (a Muslim) would not have my support because he is in the mold of Pelosi. Now show me a man of the Muslim faith who is the opposite of Keith Ellison and I would vote for him.
It's a fact that you are definitely more Republican than you are Christian since your primary concern in life is how closely someone leans toward Republicanism.
But let's go ahead and support that with some more facts
Yes, you've made it quite clear that Republicanism is more important to you than Christianity.
You've supported what you've said with lies, red herrings, and arguments with straw men.
Lie #1 - Muslims, by definition, do not support religious and market freedom. They may play the game for a time, but only until they've gained power.
Lie #2 - Muslims believe in Muslim rule only. There are no varieties of Muslims - only different forms of play-acting.
Lie #3 - Muslims are here because we invaded their countries.
Demographic portrait of Muslim Americans
Lie #4 - Muslims prefer a secular Republic to Sharia.
The truth is most Muslims support Sharia over other forms of government.
The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society
Lie #5 - I think all Jews are Christians.
Although I do believe Jews can become Christians like Paul and Peter while still considering themselves Jews, I do not believe that all Jews are Christians.
What is really funny is that you were bringing this up as a red herring. I'd make another list but I have better things to do.
The Bible absolutely doesn't support homosexual marriage, but roughly half of American Christians support homosexual marriage, some tyrannically so. Why is it a lie that not every Muslim follows your caricature of Islam?
Most Muslims in 2000 voted Republican. Republicans favor free markets and religious freedom, relative to Democrats. Why do you think most Muslims voted Republican in 2000? That they're just pretending to support freedom? Surely, some of them aren't pretending.
While the Koran does have a few market rules, such as prohibiting interest, It's wrong to say the Koran opposes a free market. And, in the case of interest, every Muslim community circumvents the prohibition against interest, keeping the free market (e.g. they add what would be the interest to the price, making it principle in name, while it's still functionally free market interest).
You have a stronger case on religion. The Koran doesn't require forced conversion, but that's about the best that can be said of it regarding religious freedom. That doesn't mean that every Muslim opposes religious freedom. And, until America is majority Muslim, there's no danger of Muslims oppressing Christianity Christianity.
You might have noticed that Democrats generally hate Christianity and religious freedom, and they're in a position to oppress Christianity. It nothing less than insanity to oppose someone who presents himself as constitutionally conservative Muslim in favor of one of those Democrats.
YOUR LINK tells you that three quarters of American Muslims are immigrants or their children. Your link tells you that most of those immigrants came to America after 2000. Your link tells you that most of those immigrants come from middle-eastern countries. Now, use that brain in your skull and reach an intelligent conclusion.
At the last general election I voted for a Sikh - Seema Malhotra - the Labour candidate & now MP. I campaigned with & for her.
We've moved now, & the Labour candidate sing in the church community choir with me, so no problem voting for her.
I am familiar with the arguments against Islam that are made by Christians who study the Koran, and therefor know Islamic teaching better than most Muslims, who are Muslim by accident of birth rather than conviction. In this they are little different from nominal Christians.
I vote for the individuals & the policies they stand for.
We've moved now, & the Labour candidate sing in the church community choir with me, so no problem voting for her.
I am familiar with the arguments against Islam that are made by Christians who study the Koran, and therefor know Islamic teaching better than most Muslims, who are Muslim by accident of birth rather than conviction. In this they are little different from nominal Christians.
I vote for the individuals & the policies they stand for.
The latest UK bi-election occurred after the standing Conservative was forced to stand down for financial impropriety. He stood again! His Liberal opponent won the election.
That Liberal MP lives in the town where we worship, in the next constituency to where we live, and has started attending our evangelical church. Now I am friends with a Labour candidate & Liberal MP, both Christian.
I told her I am a member of the Labour party since Jeremy Corbyn became leader. She said she left the Labour party when Blair joined with Bush for the invasion of Iraq. An invasion based on deliberate lies, which has resulting in Blair being spelled wrongly. I couldn't support Labour when Blair was Prime Minister.
Now the UK has a Prime Minister in Johnson who is notorious for his lies, and for acting and speaking without knowledge of the issue.
That Liberal MP lives in the town where we worship, in the next constituency to where we live, and has started attending our evangelical church. Now I am friends with a Labour candidate & Liberal MP, both Christian.
I told her I am a member of the Labour party since Jeremy Corbyn became leader. She said she left the Labour party when Blair joined with Bush for the invasion of Iraq. An invasion based on deliberate lies, which has resulting in Blair being spelled wrongly. I couldn't support Labour when Blair was Prime Minister.
Now the UK has a Prime Minister in Johnson who is notorious for his lies, and for acting and speaking without knowledge of the issue.
KenH
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So...was Johnson rebuffed yesterday by Parliament and another extension asked for from the EU?