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Is it okay to repeat the same words or idea over and over in prayer?

Guido

Active Member
Is repeating the same words or the same thought over and over when praying to God sinful? Is this vain repetitions? If not, what does the Bible mean by vain repetitions? Does it mean repeating phrases without meaning or repeating phrases without purpose?

Is it true that if I pray to God for something all day on a given day, my prayer won't be any more effective than were I to pray for it five minutes that day, because I would be using vain repetitions? Does praying for something a long period of time on a given day ever lead to better or quicker answer from God?

Thank you for your answers.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
Is repeating the same words or the same thought over and over when praying to God sinful? Is this vain repetitions? If not, what does the Bible mean by vain repetitions? Does it mean repeating phrases without meaning or repeating phrases without purpose?

Is it true that if I pray to God for something all day on a given day, my prayer won't be any more effective than were I to pray for it five minutes that day, because I would be using vain repetitions? Does praying for something a long period of time on a given day ever lead to better or quicker answer from God?

Thank you for your answers.

It is not how long or how often you pray but why you pray that matters. God looks at the intent of the heart not the words or how long one prays.

Look what we see in scripture:

Luk 18:10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray.
One was a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed,
‘God, I thank You that I am not like the other men—swindlers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice a week and pay tithes of all that I acquire.’
The Pharisee's prayer was all about himself

Luk 18:13 But the tax collector stood at a distance, unwilling even to lift up his eyes to heaven. Instead, he beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner!’
The tax collector's was about what God could do

Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man, rather than the Pharisee, went home justified. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”


Prayer is not a wish list or a list of how good you are but the chance to speak to and praise God for all that He has done for us.

Repeating the same words over and over in a prayer is not sinful but the question is why would you think it was necessary? I ask God for discernment all the time but I do not repeat it over and over in a prayer.

For me vain repetition in prayers is just to make the one praying look more spiritual, to puff them up.
 

Salty

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Administrator
Here is my conversation with my treasure:
Well, Dave, do you have the monthly report ready, Dave. I see Dave that offerings went up, Dave, this past month - so Dave, do you think that was because of a 5th Sunday Dave, or dave could it be with the offerings of new members. So Dave, should we consider increasing our CP offering, or do you think Dave that we should support an independent missionary, Dave. My thinking, Dave.......

How often have you heard someone pray referring to the Lord, that many times!? IMHO praying is nothing more that talking to God. We should talk "normal"!
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
Here is my conversation with my treasure:
Well, Dave, do you have the monthly report ready, Dave. I see Dave that offerings went up, Dave, this past month - so Dave, do you think that was because of a 5th Sunday Dave, or dave could it be with the offerings of new members. So Dave, should we consider increasing our CP offering, or do you think Dave that we should support an independent missionary, Dave. My thinking, Dave.......

How often have you heard someone pray referring to the Lord, that many times!? IMHO praying is nothing more that talking to God. We should talk "normal"!

Daniel's prayer. 9:4-19

4 And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:

6 Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.

7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.

8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.

9 To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;

10 Neither have we obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.

11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

12 And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.

13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.

14 Therefore hath the Lord watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the Lord our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice.

15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.

16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.

17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.

18 O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.

19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
 

Salty

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Administrator
Daniel's prayer. 9:4-19
In your post - the 16 verses contained 562 words. The word Lord was used 32 times - that is about 2x per verse with about "Lord" being used 5% of the time. In my example - I used "Dave "8" times our of 79 words. That is 10%
Our local Pastors group sponsors a Friday noontime prayer meeting . About 20 folks show up weekly.
There are some who address God (Lord, Jesus ect) over 20% of the time.
Just saying!
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
In your post - the 16 verses contained 562 words. The word Lord was used 32 times - that is about 2x per verse with about "Lord" being used 5% of the time. In my example - I used "Dave "8" times our of 79 words. That is 10%
Our local Pastors group sponsors a Friday noontime prayer meeting . About 20 folks show up weekly.
There are some who address God (Lord, Jesus ect) over 20% of the time.
Just saying!

I thought I seen a comparison, but I must be wrong.
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
Psalm 136?
Just for a well rounded discussion.

I think that vain repetitions is more like saying the Lord’s Prayer when you don’t know what to pray.
Jesus taught to pray like that, not pray that.
I give allowance for it a lot because it is Scripture but it should not be treated like a set of magic words that gets us closer to God. I’m not in favor of “our Fathers” and “hail Mary’s.” My apologies for the thread not being where those who find them necessary can respond. I have no apologies for believing the way I do here.
 
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