Is it one or the other?

[DrJamesAch]

Why don't you get in a time machine and set it for Geneva 1558 and dress up as Michael Servetus?

And the true colors come out:thumbs:. Saturneptune truly IS a Calvinist advocating that a Jew goes back in time to be killed by Calvin. I knew the truth about you would surface eventually. You can't hide that kind of fake spirituality for very long.

 

[saturneptune]

And the true colors come out:thumbs:. Saturneptune truly IS a Calvinist advocating that a Jew goes back in time to be killed by Calvin. I knew the truth about you would surface eventually. You can't hide that kind of fake spirituality for very long.

You just made the exact same statement to EWF. Yep, that really bothers me, to be called a fake Christian by someone who steals material from other sources, plus who knows what else. And while we are on the subject of honesty, and your obsession with your background, I would question the fact that you are a Jew. Personally, it appears to me to be a tool to cause nothing but trouble.

 

[DrJamesAch]

I stand by my statement, you have no moral authority. What you left out of your posts is what God thinks about it. The third and fourth positions, if there are any, are a product of God, not Luther or the other dead theologians you depend on.

You do not know the difference between a Calvinist, non-Calvinist, Arminian, a person who believes in Doctrines of Grace, or any shade between. You constantly demean groups you do not agree with and lump two or more categories into one, when you do not even understand the definitions.

There is no way that a person with a doctorate produces posts like yours. No way on earth.

Moral authority? You just told me to go kill myself and you are talking to someone about moral authority! You are losing valuable brain cells by each post (assuming you have brain cells with value).

You never said one word that your 3 or 4 option was "what God thinks about it" so stop your lying already.

Not only have I a much greater understanding of the differences between these camps than you ever will, I have never seen one inkling from you about anything Jacobus Arminius wrote. Show me where you've posted anything that demonstrates you know anything about what he really wrote.

And your jealousy is flattering

 

[saturneptune]

Moral authority? You just told me to go kill myself and you are talking to someone about moral authority! You are losing valuable brain cells by each post (assuming you have brain cells with value).

You never said one word that your 3 or 4 option was "what God thinks about it" so stop your lying already.

Not only have I a much greater understand of the differences between these camps than you ever will, I have never seen one inkling from you about anything Jacobus Arminius wrote. Show me where you've posted anything that demonstrates you know anything about what he really wrote.

And your jealousy is flattering

Just whatever you think. You are pathetic, that is all there is to say about it.

 

[DrJamesAch]

You just made the exact same statement to EWF. Yep, that really bothers me, to be called a fake Christian by someone who steals material from other sources, plus who knows what else. And while we are on the subject of honesty, and your obsession with your background, I would question the fact that you are a Jew. Personally, it appears to me to be a tool to cause nothing but trouble.

Wow, there's a new one! I question whether you are really from Saturn.

 

[DrJamesAch]

Just whatever you think. You are pathetic, that is all there is to say about it.

That's what I thought. No proof and no answer. Checkmate.

 

[InTheLight]

I have not changed the premise, I have challenged the premise. The question simply gives one hypothetical alternative to disagreeing with Calvinism. If such a premise is a valid one, then it is equally valid to point out other premise assumptions (i.e. Erasmus vs Luther) that would have the same results that no Calvinist would accept.

OK I now see that you were challenging the premise:

So does that mean by default anyone that disagreed with Luther...by default are Catholic?.

I apologize for the misunderstanding.

However, with TULIP it's pretty easy to say that either there is Limited Atonement or there isn't; either there is Irresistible Grace or there isn't.