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Is it possible to be a Baptist...

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OldRegular

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Rebel said:
Mainly the atonement. Every time I visit a Baptist church, I hear penal substitution one way or another, either in the sermon or the hymns. I can't listen to that anymore.

I also have some different views on hell, but that is not as likely to be brought up, I suppose.

I affirm the equality of women when it comes to ministry.

I don't believe in total depravity or the Protestant view (or RC view) of original sin.

I have a problem with calling scripture inerrant, although I have no problem saying scripture is true and trustworthy. I don't want to make the mistake that the RCC does and ascribe infallibility to anything or anyone other than God.

Maybe I could have fit into the SBC the way it was before but not now. I don't know what Baptist body I could fit into. I'm too conservative for the liberals and too liberal for the conservatives.
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The above is not historical Baptist Doctrine and not the current doctrine of the SBC. So I agree with Rippon.
 
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Rebel

Active Member
OldRegular said:
The above is not historical Baptist Doctrine and not the current doctrine of the SBC. So I agree with Rippon.
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You're entitled to your opinion. Everybody has one, and Baptists make doctrines out of theirs.

At least you're not nasty like Rippon.

But let me ask you something, and please try to be objective. I believe in every one of the historic Baptist distinctives, so if I'm not Baptist, what am I?
 
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Salty

Salty

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Earth said:
How's that!?! And the SBC sustains them????? REALLY.....what's next, Homosexuals in the pulpit?!?
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It is up to the Local church to decide what it wants to do.
Then it is up to the local association to decide if they want to continue fellowship with that local church.
 
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Rippon

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OldRegular said:
The above is not historical Baptist Doctrine and not the current doctrine of the SBC. So I agree with Rippon.
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When one merely states that tah* holds to Believers' Baptism and a few "Baptist Distinctives" it is not equivalent to orthodoxy. There are a lot of conservative Presbyterians who do not adhere to "Baptist distinctives" yet are far more orthodox in their beliefs --i.e. sound in the faith --biblical.







*Tah -- Chinese pronoun for he, she or it.
 
Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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Rippon said:
When one merely states that tah* holds to Believers' Baptism and a few "Baptist Distinctives" it is not equivalent to orthodoxy. There are a lot of conservative Presbyterians who do not adhere to "Baptist distinctives" yet are far more orthodox in their beliefs --i.e. sound in the faith
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Then why the infant baptism and Sabbath practices?
 
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Iconoclast

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Rebel said:
Mainly the atonement. Every time I visit a Baptist church, I hear penal substitution one way or another, either in the sermon or the hymns. I can't listen to that anymore.

I also have some different views on hell, but that is not as likely to be brought up, I suppose.

I affirm the equality of women when it comes to ministry.

I don't believe in total depravity or the Protestant view (or RC view) of original sin.

I have a problem with calling scripture inerrant, although I have no problem saying scripture is true and trustworthy. I don't want to make the mistake that the RCC does and ascribe infallibility to anything or anyone other than God.

Maybe I could have fit into the SBC the way it was before but not now. I don't know what Baptist body I could fit into. I'm too conservative for the liberals and too liberal for the conservatives.
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With these ideas maybe you could blend in with the Unitarians, or the Bahai faith. They seem very affirming:thumbs:





Bahá’u’lláh and His Covenant

The origins of the Bahá’í Faith and the source of its distinctive unity


The Life of the Spirit

The eternal soul, the purpose of life, and the development of spiritual qualities


God and His Creation

God, revelation, humanity, the natural world, and the advancement of civilization


Essential Relationships

The development of relationships among individuals, communities, and institutions that reflect the principle of the oneness of humanity


Universal Peace

The principles required for the attainment of peace and the building of a new global civilization
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“If the learned and worldly-wise men of this age were to allow mankind to inhale the fragrance of fellowship and love, every understanding heart would apprehend the meaning of true liberty, and discover the secret of undisturbed peace and absolute composure.”
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“Let your vision be world embracing…” — Bahá’u’lláh

Throughout history, God has sent to humanity a series of divine Educators—known as Manifestations of God—whose teachings have provided the basis for the advancement of civilization. These Manifestations have included Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad. Bahá’u’lláh, the latest of these Messengers, explained that the religions of the world come from the same Source and are in essence successive chapters of one religion from God.

Bahá'ís believe the crucial need facing humanity is to find a unifying vision of the future of society and of the nature and purpose of life. Such a vision unfolds in the writings of Bahá'u'lláh.
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And the Unitarian;

The Unitarian Universalists Association (UUA), one of the most liberal religions, encourages its members to search for truth in their own way, at their own pace. Although Unitarian Universalist beliefs borrow from many faiths, the religion does not have a creed and avoids doctrinal requirements.
Unitarian Universalist Beliefs

Bible - Belief in the Bible is not required. The Bible is a collection of profound insights from the men who wrote it but also reflects biases and cultural ideas from the times in which it was written and edited.
 
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Rebel

Active Member
Iconoclast said:
With these ideas maybe you could blend in with the Unitarians, or the Bahai faith. They seem very affirming:thumbs:





Bahá’u’lláh and His Covenant

The origins of the Bahá’í Faith and the source of its distinctive unity


The Life of the Spirit

The eternal soul, the purpose of life, and the development of spiritual qualities


God and His Creation

God, revelation, humanity, the natural world, and the advancement of civilization


Essential Relationships

The development of relationships among individuals, communities, and institutions that reflect the principle of the oneness of humanity


Universal Peace

The principles required for the attainment of peace and the building of a new global civilization
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And the Unitarian;

The Unitarian Universalists Association (UUA), one of the most liberal religions, encourages its members to search for truth in their own way, at their own pace. Although Unitarian Universalist beliefs borrow from many faiths, the religion does not have a creed and avoids doctrinal requirements.
Unitarian Universalist Beliefs

Bible - Belief in the Bible is not required. The Bible is a collection of profound insights from the men who wrote it but also reflects biases and cultural ideas from the times in which it was written and edited.
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I don't know whether to take you seriously or not. I don't know whether you intend to insult or not, but I will assume not.

Anyway, I believe in the deity of Christ which puts me out of Unitarianism, and the bodily resurrection of Christ which puts me out of the Bahai faith.

As I said, fundamentalists of the right have a problem with me, and so do fundamentalists of the left.
 
Salty

Salty

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Salty said:
It is up to the Local church to decide what it wants to do.
Then it is up to the local association to decide if they want to continue fellowship with that local church.
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Earth said:
But it's up to discussion ...oh boy! ...
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The only discussion by the association would be if they wish to dis-fellowship the church. The Association has no authority to ordain or defrock a person.

From the SBC website:
Baptists have long held the principles of congregational self-governance, self-support, and self propagation. Local churches select their own staff, ordain their own ministers, ...” (SBC Constitution, Article IV, emphasis supplied


And from another SBC link:
Within the Southern Baptist Convention, the licensing and ordination of ministers is a local church matter. There is no denominational ordination service. The list of Southern Baptist ministers on www.sbc.net/ministersearch is simply a compilation from the reports of the churches and is the responsibility of the churches to update. Since the SBC is not a church, it cannot ordain or defrock ministers; nor does it maintain a list of "certified" ministers. Ministerial certification is the role and responsibility of each local church.
 
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