Is it possible to resist God's will?

[Amy.G]

Jesus:

Isaiah 42:1 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold,My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.

Angels:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=61&chapter=5&verse=21&version=50&context=verse1 Tim 5:21 I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality.

Israel:

Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me.

What do they teach you folks at your churches and Bible studies? Or don't you read the Bible on your own?

I know what "elect" means. But, you said this:

Originally Posted by npetreley
You honestly don't realize that God chooses people for different purposes? That's what elect means, you know. Chosen. You thought elect can only mean to salvation, and that the Jews were all elect for salvation?

Where does the Bible say that "elect" is referring to someone besides those chosen for salvation?

 

[psalms109:31]

Irresistible grace

God will is going to be done. What His word says will happen.

We are all headed for destruction, and the only way out is Jesus. We are in the potters hand and in His hand we are headed for destruction. We cannot change what is happening to this body. It is decaying and we are dying. How can we complain to God why He has made us this way, because we did it to ourselves when adam and eve question God and His word that if we eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, we shall surely die. If you do not put your trust in Jesus you will be condemned. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Jesus is our only hope Who can save me from this body of death praise be to Jeses.

In the potters hand He also makes those who trust in Jesus for honor.

His words says believers will not perish, but have eternal life, but those who do not believe are condemned already because they have not believed, not because they were not chosen, but because they did not believes, because Jesus was sent into the world not to condemn, but to save it.

God has placed life and death before us, so choose life so you may live and Jesus is our life.

It is not until after Jesus was lifted up and the Holy Spirit was poured back unto the earth, was the door opened to the world and we are the messengers of it.

Judas was going to betray Jesus. Jesus knew who would believe and who would betray Him. Even though Judas did what Jesus knew what He was going to do, we can never say that Jesus did not give him the opportunity to change.

When Jesus is lifted up God will draw all men to Himself and whosever believes shall be saved and whosoever does not is condemned already from they have not believed in the only begotten Son of God.

 

[npetreley]

I know what "elect" means. But, you said this:

Where does the Bible say that "elect" is referring to someone besides those chosen for salvation?

I provided you with 3 scripture references. How many do you need?

 

[Brother Bob]

I didn't know when God speaks of His "elect", it means for different purposes and not always salvation.

Also, again I will ask, Is it God's will that men sin?

 

[Brother Jeremy Slone]

I would say God is not the author of confusion so He is not the author of sin. But I would say He permitted sin for His own purpose of exalting Jesus as the savior. If He did not make adam subject to vanity then he would never have fallen in the Garden. If he never made the tree in the garden then there would have been no fall. But I believe He permitted man to fall for His own purpose of exalting His Son as the savior of the world.

I believe as far as Elect goes that God elected the nation Israel to show the Greater Israel which is spiritual. As it says in Romans 9:6 ....For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: the word elected just means chosen. God elected His 12 apostles. God elected and called His ministers. God elected the weak things to confound the mighty. As I also beleive God elected those that believe according to the working of His mighty power to make up the body of Christ.

as far as the question of this post i would give Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

 

[Amy.G]

God will is going to be done. What His word says will happen.

We are all headed for destruction, and the only way out is Jesus. We are in the potters hand and in His hand we are headed for destruction. We cannot change what is happening to this body. It is decaying and we are dying. How can we complain to God why He has made us this way, because we did it to ourselves when adam and eve question God and His word that if we eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, we shall surely die. If you do not put your trust in Jesus you will be condemned. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Jesus is our only hope Who can save me from this body of death praise be to Jeses.

In the potters hand He also makes those who trust in Jesus for honor.

His words says believers will not perish, but have eternal life, but those who do not believe are condemned already because they have not believed, not because they were not chosen, but because they did not believes, because Jesus was sent into the world not to condemn, but to save it.

God has placed life and death before us, so choose life so you may live and Jesus is our life.

It is not until after Jesus was lifted up and the Holy Spirit was poured back unto the earth, was the door opened to the world and we are the messengers of it.

Judas was going to betray Jesus. Jesus knew who would believe and who would betray Him. Even though Judas did what Jesus knew what He was going to do, we can never say that Jesus did not give him the opportunity to change.

When Jesus is lifted up God will draw all men to Himself and whosever believes
shall be saved and whosoever does not is condemned already from they have not believed in the only begotten Son of God.

This is the simplicity of the gospel. The plain interpretation of the scriptures. Why is this so hard for some to see?

 

[Isaiah40:28]

This is the simplicity of the gospel. The plain interpretation of the scriptures. Why is this so hard for some to see?

That's what I wonder too.

 

[Brother Bob]

Permitting something, and being His will that it happens is complete opposites.
I would like someone to just answer if it is God's will that man sin, instead of saying what God permits.

 

[Amy.G]

Permitting something, and being His will that it happens is complete opposites.
I would like someone to just answer if it is God's will that man sin, instead of saying what God permits.

If it is God's will that we sin, why does God continually command us not to?
"You shall not commit murder, but go ahead and do it because it's My will that you sin." ?????

Of course it's not God's will that we sin. It is God's will that we be conformed to the image of Christ.

 

[Isaiah40:28]

Permitting something, and being His will that it happens is complete opposites.
I would like someone to just answer if it is God's will that man sin, instead of saying what God permits.

God willed that sinful men would crucify His Son.

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
Permitting something, and being His will that it happens is complete opposites.
I would like someone to just answer if it is God's will that man sin, instead of saying what God permits.
God willed that sinful men would crucify His Son.__________________

No doubt about that, He didn't choose the righteous to crucify His Son. I agree with you.


Amen Amy:!

 

[npetreley]

So the consensus here is that it is possible to resist God's will?

All I can say is WOW. God bless you all, and good-bye. I obviously don't belong here. Maybe it's time to consider some other denomination, too.

 

[Blammo]

So the consensus here is that it is possible to resist God's will?

All I can say is WOW. God bless you all, and good-bye. I obviously don't belong here. Maybe it's time to consider some other denomination, too.

Don't go away mad!!! Afterall, you believe all things happen exactly the way God makes them happen. These people you are angry with, they are only doing what they are being caused to do.

 

[Amy.G]

Don't go away mad!!! Afterall, you believe all things happen exactly the way God makes them happen. These people you are angry with, they are only doing what they are being caused to do.

Uh, yeah, that's it. I can't help it! :laugh:

 

[Blammo]

Uh, yeah, that's it. I can't help it! :laugh:

Me neither, Amy, I am not choosing to be an annoyance to anyone. :wavey:

 

[Amy.G]

Me neither, Amy, I am not choosing to be an annoyance to anyone. :wavey:

I was predestined to be an irritant!:laugh:

I'm the grain of sand in the oyster. But look what comes from it. A beautiful PEARL!

 

[Brother Bob]

npet; surely you don't believe God wills men to sin, and if God don't will men to sin, then its His will that they don't sin, of which we all are sinners. This is not being irritant, but just giving our veiws on the scripture.
BBob

 

[Isaiah40:28]

No doubt about that, He didn't choose the righteous to crucify His Son. I agree with you.

So you agree that God willed sinful men to crucify His Son?

 

[Brother Bob]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Bob
No doubt about that, He didn't choose the righteous to crucify His Son. I agree with you.


So you agree that God willed sinful men to crucify His Son?

I agree they were picked for what they were. Judas was a devil from the beginning. The beginning of what, I don't know, but believe that God knows all, and knew what Judas was. Yes, God gave His Son to be crucified, for He stood as a slain Lamb from the foundation of the world and God did will his plan of Salvation, which included Jesus dying for our sins. I do believe that Judas had a time and chance at one time in his life though, but chose to go the way he did. For me to give scripture for this, the only thing I could give is that time and chance has happened to all. If Jesus was God in the flesh, and He laid down His life, then of course it was His Will. Jesus plainly said, you take not my life, but I lay it down.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

So the consensus here is that it is possible to resist God's will?

All I can say is WOW. God bless you all, and good-bye. I obviously don't belong here. Maybe it's time to consider some other denomination, too.

It must be God's will for you to say WOW and then threaten to leave. Good-bye! :wavey: