Is it really SIN to be angry with God ?

[RightFromWrong]

Seekingtruth wrote
RFW, I believe the Bible clearly teaches that to God sin is sin. There are no gradients or degrees of sin. Just sin, which God hates.

By the way can someone help me with the qoute thing I'm not sure how to use it.

Anyway I and others have already pointed out that the Bible is very clear that ANGER is NOT A SIN ! It is what we do with our anger that is sin.

So you are wrong in putting anger in the same catagory as the other sins. Since the Bible is very clear that anger in itself is not a sin. God gave us that emotion for a reason. Rationalize it anyway you want. You guys are still missing the point.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

The Bible is very clear that being angry at God and pointing your judgemental finger of blame at him is sin. I have presented scripture for that as well. Again, if Job did not sin, why was he rebuked by God and why did he repent in ashes and dust? Please just answer that question.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[SeekingTruth]

RFW, you say you have pointed out that anger is not a sin. Maybe you have satified yourself that it isn't, but you haven't shown me. What does the following scripture from our Lord mean then?

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


It seems to me He is giving us one example that anger is sinful. If it is a sin to be angry with your brother without cause, how could it not be a sin to be angry with God. We never have cause to be angry with Him. It seems to me that Christ Himself has refuted you argument.

 

[Artimaeus]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
questioning even the way you explained it ( which is exactly what I would do ) is DOUBTING God, and without FAITH it is impossible to PLEASE God. So according to you, you are sinning.

Some of the time I was definitely sinning. However, my point was that most of the time I wasn't. Asking God a question is not a sin. Asking God for an answer to a problem is not the same as accusing Him of being part of the the problem. God allows varioyus things (some of them bad) to come into our lives for various reasons (all of them good). It is difficult to learn the lesson if we don't know what the lesson is.

Being MAd, ANGRY or UPSET mean all the same thing just different words. You tried to say they are different but they are not.

Actually, I was trying to be inclusive. I was trying to say that ANY negative emotion directed at God is wrong. How can accusing God of being wrong EVER be right? Now if you are saying that it is normal, typical, frequent, and common then, yeah, I completely understand. It is just as wrong to accuse God of error even if it is done in a cold, calm, emotionless manner.

 

[TexasSky]

Anger, like most emotions, is a feeling that comes whether we want to feel it or not. How we deal with anger determines whether we are sinning when we are angry or not.

A husband and wife can be furious with one another, wanting nothing more than to make up, and rather than standing around screaming at each other - can work together to get past the anger and work on the issues that lead to the anger. OR, they can fuel the anger.

I think if something happens you don't understand, and you find you are angry with God, you step back and ask why yourself why you are angry, and ask God to help you work through that anger - you have not sinned. If, however, you start stomping your spiritual feet like a child having a tantrum - you've sinned.

The sin isn't in BEING angry. It is how you handle the anger.

 

[Artimaeus]

Originally posted by TexasSky:
and you find you are angry with God, ... you have not sinned.

If you said that you find yourself angry, you have not sinned, I would agree but, when you add "with God" then you are trying to justify "feeling" that God has done something wrong and you blame Him. There is no justification for that.

If, however, you start stomping your spiritual feet like a child having a tantrum - you've sinned.

There is no real difference here, it is just a matter of degree but the principle is the same.

The sin isn't in BEING angry. It is how you handle the anger.

I agree that it isn't BEING angry but it is in WHO you are angry at.

 

[SeekingTruth]

Texas, read Matthew 5:22 again. What you are saying is that since lust is an emotion, the sin depends on what you do with yet. What did Christ have to say about that

I seem to recall that He said in Mt 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

I don't think you can have it both ways.

 

[SeekingTruth]

Obviously my last post should have read "do with it", not "do with yet".

 

[Servent]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
[QB] Joseph_Botwinick


All I am saying is God KNOWS our feelings even if that feeling is anger. You try to hide a feeling from God and see if it works. I have yet to meet anyone who didn't question or get angry at God at some point in their life. If they say they haven't they are lying.Its what one does with that anger that becomes sin.

RFW Bro Im sorry but you are way wrong,I have had many bad things happen in my life.But be mad or angery or blame God NO, at myself for doing something stupid yes at someone else for doing something to me yes,God doesnt make things happen but he does allow them to,we are to rejoice in all things and learn from them.

 

[RightFromWrong]

Seekingtruth wrote ( sorry still do not know how to work qoute thing )

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


Key word Seekingtruth, WITHOUT A CAUSE

Remember I talked about being angry due to INJUSTICE ( Anger God says isn't wrong )which fits in the catagory of Righteous anger, anger that is wrong is SELFISH like when I don't get my own way or demand MY " Rights."

Another Key word, IN DANGER of the judgment which doesn't mean automatic jusgment just means that unrighteous anger can lead to other sins such as murder wich can lead to judgment.

Sounds pretty simple to me.

 

[RightFromWrong]

Seekingtruth wrote

If you said that you find yourself angry, you have not sinned, I would agree but, when you add "with God" then you are trying to justify "feeling" that God has done something wrong and you blame Him. There is no justification for that.

Only one problem with that thought. Isn't it true that everything a Chrisitan experences HAS to go through God in the first place ? I use to think well people are sinners and we are in a sinful world so stuff happens. I also use to think that Satan was always trying to cause Christians to sin. So I just would put the blame on them.

Then I learned a couple of years ago after doing a study on Satan that EVERYTHING that happens to us has to go through God first. God ALLOWED these things in my life so therefore in a sense it IS HIS FAULT. That is when I started questioning God and put the blame on him. I mean come on he ALLOWED it. I wanted to know ( without going into personal details of my life ) why those things happened and what GOOD can come out of it. I have yet to see the good and I may never. So I just go on trusting.That still didn't take away the anger, pain and questioning I have. I still trust, but now and then I still go back to those feelings. Does that mean I am sinning NO just means I am human and I am being REAL with God.

 

[Alcott]

Originally posted by SeekingTruth:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:...
If it is a sin to be angry with your brother without cause, how could it not be a sin to be angry with God.

The phrase "without a cause" is not in the biblical manuscripts. Besides showing the silliness of KJV 'perfection', inserting the phrase would justify any and all anger, as there is always a cause for it, be it righteous, lame, ridiculous, or anything else.

 

[SeekingTruth]

Alcott, I did not claim that the KJV is perfect. I have never debated the validity or invalidity of any version of the Bible. If I had, I certainly wopuld not use demeaning terms as most of the non-KJV use. I prefer the KJV. For me it is the best version. You may of course read whatever you please. I will not condemn or otherwise criticize you for it. What you read and study is between you and God.

 

[Artimaeus]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
Seekingtruth wrote

(Actually, RightFromWrong, that quote was from me.)

God ALLOWED these things in my life so therefore in a sense it IS HIS FAULT. That is when I started questioning God and put the blame on him. I mean come on he ALLOWED it.

Please give me an example, hypothetical is OK, of an instance when God is, was, or will be wrong, unjust, unfair, and you would have a right to be angry at Him. To say that since God allows evil therefore God is evil is sooooooooooo not a Christian concept. Gen 18:25...Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? Is it right or is it wrong for God to allow evil? If it is right then why are you mad at Him.

Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Job's wife was all for blaming it on God but, Job rebuked her.

I wanted to know...why those things happened and what GOOD can come out of it. I have yet to see the good and I may never.

Nothing wrong with that. A person should always be ready to learn from God. You're right about possibly never knowing why.

So I just go on trusting.

Think about that for a moment. Is it logical to say that you trust God but you also do not trust Him to have done the right thing (Isn't that why you are mad at Him?)?

Does that mean I am sinning NO just means I am human and I am being REAL with God.

I can't speak for others but I know from personal experience that being angry, even at the wrong person, is quite human and quite real but that doesn't make it OK. If God is wrong then you have every right to be angry at Him.

 

[RightFromWrong]

WHATEVER !

Artimaeus bio his religion / denomination: Fundamental Independent Baptist

Now I get it

 

[Servent]

Originally posted by Artimaeus:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
Seekingtruth wrote

(Actually, RightFromWrong, that quote was from me.)

God ALLOWED these things in my life so therefore in a sense it IS HIS FAULT. That is when I started questioning God and put the blame on him. I mean come on he ALLOWED it.

Please give me an example, hypothetical is OK, of an instance when God is, was, or will be wrong, unjust, unfair, and you would have a right to be angry at Him. To say that since God allows evil therefore God is evil is sooooooooooo not a Christian concept. Gen 18:25...Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? Is it right or is it wrong for God to allow evil? If it is right then why are you mad at Him.

Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Job's wife was all for blaming it on God but, Job rebuked her.

I wanted to know...why those things happened and what GOOD can come out of it. I have yet to see the good and I may never.

Nothing wrong with that. A person should always be ready to learn from God. You're right about possibly never knowing why.

So I just go on trusting.

Think about that for a moment. Is it logical to say that you trust God but you also do not trust Him to have done the right thing (Isn't that why you are mad at Him?)?

Does that mean I am sinning NO just means I am human and I am being REAL with God.

I can't speak for others but I know from personal experience that being angry, even at the wrong person, is quite human and quite real but that doesn't make it OK. If God is wrong then you have every right to be angry at Him. </font>[/QUOTE]Your last sentence says, If God is wrong then you have every right to be angry at Him.

Do you really believe God is wrong in any thing He does, I dont think so, every thing God does has a purpose we may not understand why at this point and time and maybe were not meent to. having faith and trusting God is beliveing every thing He does even when our mind tells us not to.If God took my entire family from me today I would have to belive it was for the best, would I be happy with it no would I be angry with God no, after all He gave us His Son so that we could live with Him forever, Even when His Son asked if there was another way, God's will be done not ours.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
WHATEVER !

Artimaeus bio his religion / denomination: Fundamental Independent Baptist

Now I get it

I am a life long Southern Baptist. Does that help you understand anything? How judgemental of you.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[RightFromWrong]

Joseph_Botwinick

It's the guys attitude. All he wants to do is argue. I've been in few IFB churches and know where he is comming from : ) ...you guys are CLEARLY missing the point, so I will not discuss this subject anymore.I am confident that most people agree with me, even my own Pastor understood, and he was the one who made the comment in the first place.

I notice neither one of you are dealing with heresy on some other post, like was Paul GAY now there is a topic you guys should be dealing with.
At least I used scripture to back up my point ( they are not using scripture for Paul possibly being gay )

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

1. That thread was closed while I was at work. Paul was not gay.

2. You took scripture out of context to justify your sin. I used scripture as well, and I notice you do not seem to want to deal with it. BTW, I did respond to your attempt at using scripture to justify sin. Go back and take a look.

3. You don't want to discuss it anymore because you are wrong and can't defend your position with scripture. As a matter of fact, as I have shown, scripture teaches the exact opposite of what you are saying here.

4. A majority does not mean it is Biblical. There is only one view that should concern you, and that is the view of the Word of God.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[RightFromWrong]

Yep your right that thread has been closed down thank God. How rediculous to suggest such a thing about Paul !

I think many agree with me that the Bible is clear that anger isn't sin it is what you do with that anger that is sin. Many throughout scripture have questioned God and were not rebuked. I believe God deals with people where they are at. You can have all the right doctrine in the world but if you do not have LOVE and understanding for others and what they are going through, you will be all alone in your doctrine.


I notice you have a little son. I wonder how you would react if he was kidnapped, raped and murdered GOD FORBID. Would you not question and be angry at God then ? And don't say you wouldn't because that wouldn't be true. Just the injustice of that would be enough for any man who's goal it is to love and protect his family to go nuts. Or you really don't care about your son. Of course you can deny your feelings and act like nothing happened, but then you are not dealing with reality and will remain in an unhealthy relationship with God and others.

If you were to read any of my other post you would see I take Gods word seriously. By the way I am not sinning I am GROWING. Big difference.