Is It Unethical

Same story frenchy?

 

No Frenchy I am not gossiping about you at my Seminary for the following reasons:

1. You posted your material in an Open Public Forum on the Internet for the entire watching world to read and discuss.

2. You asked me to find proof that what you had done was unethical for a Christian Counselor.

3. I took you up on that request and informed you that I would print out some of your posts and ask the Christain Counseling Professors at my Seminary for their opinions of what you have done.

4. You agreed that I could do so and even encouraged me to talk to someone else about the situation. Therefore, I have your permission to share the material.

If you do not wish for me to share the material say so and I will honor your request (I have not talked with anyone about it yet).

 

That sword cuts both ways when the one espousing the principal is supposed to be a professional Christian Counselor (i.e. involved in full-time ministry).

 

It depends on what the patient tells them. If they have committed or are going to commit a violent crime, not only should they have the right, but also the obligation to share that info with the police and name names.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I think we are confusing terms here:

Counselor - is not neccessarily a licensed position like a psychologist/psychatrist or lawyer. And while I don't know every state law I am absolutley certain that no counsellor/psychologist/psychatrist held up to the same standard as a lawyer. Also there is not a legal standing for Patient/Doctor confidentialty such as a Client/Lawyer privilege.

Also, there is a point of that sharing an experience without specifics mentioned that can be used to seek advice from another counsellor or be relayed to another person so they can learn from this issue/problem. We do this in nearly every aspect of our lives and it doesn't normally take the grounds of unethical or gossip unless both parties know the situation or persons involved whether names or mentioned or not. For example: if I was counselling some of my teens and their parents here in Japan and you had no way of knowing them or the situation and I shared that some information to either get advice or provide a relating story for a topic then I don't see any issue with doing this.

Of course, as far as ethics go...sharing something that is given in confidentiality may not be illegal or unethical but would be in poor taste and contrary to the confidence it was said in. How many have told a friend's secret we promised not to pass on? Most of us probably and sadly we would take offense if we felt attacked as well...such as this poll is seeming to do!

 

MRC, you're right...from the CRIMINAL aspect. However, there are CIVIL cases that assign culpability and levy damages. Those often do hold counselors to high standards. No crime, maybe, but lawyers, damages, etc.

 

I think it is time to do this:

*gets on soapbox* This place (BB) can be frustrating because an argument gets discussed with scripture or countered with scripture and there are truly some knowledgable Bible Scholars on this discussion board...but sometimes we miss the basics...like a kind word turneth away anger...or be ye kind...or even the example that Jesus took to turn the other cheek. They say the things to never discuss with people are religion and politics because most of what we believe or identify with come from or are facilitated through these two areas...and if we feel attacked we get more defensive then learning/trading of ideas doesn't occur. We often can get too passionate in our endeavors and forget that the process of sharing ideas is supposed to be for both parties to grow, both the student and the teacher. We should never be happy or satisfied to chase another BB member away whether we agree with them or not...because as the BB Rules say we can't be certain that our membership is made up of only professing Christians...an unsaved may be among us and may be the 'one' we just ganged up on and chased away. Too many people use our attitudes as an excuse to do nothing for Christ and too many times they are right...we seem to all claim to be in the Lord's Army...yet we are the only army that shoots our own wounded!! *gets off sooapbox*

 

MRC, you're right...from the CRIMINAL aspect. However, there are CIVIL cases that assign culpability and levy damages. Those often do hold counselors to high standards. No crime, maybe, but lawyers, damages, etc. </font>[/QUOTE]I would say this is only in the case of neglect or culpability where a felony crime could not be argued or won. And is often of questionable outcome depending on the state and the jury makeup and as a civil case would hold little ground as a subject case to argue for future trials. But I do understand y'alls discussion on this and can attest to the nature of not sharing things that are given in confidence. And as a Christian our testimony should be one of utmost integrity and deepest confidence (within reason of not commiting harm or a crime).

 

This is just uncalled for. I was in the discussion for these comments...and in fact Frenchy repeated what someone else said about that particular member...thinking that member said something when in fact it was a completely different member who countered something Frenchy said. Frenchy never called anyone swine...the comment was made that it was like casting pearls before swine...which is a fairly common phrase that speaks of the waste of putting good things before beings that don't appreciate or understand it's value. As far as calling people liars...well if the shoe fits....some members have lied or misquoted Frenchy and have made Frenchy feel as if they are being personally attacked. I think it is all unneccessary and contrary to what we all come here to discuss...the Bible and Christian faith. Now let us all stop with these silly accussations. They add nothing to the discussions and alienate our fellow Christians and members.

 

MRCoon, go back and read what she wrote re: rbell. I stand by my statements, which Frenchy has pretty well validated today with her flooding the board on every thread, causing the mods no end of grief in cleaning the house back up. She called one of our beautiful sisters here fat and ugly, and posted PMs in public areas. You missed it, so I forgive you for not knowing. However your defense of her is misplaced.

 

I was talking specifically about comments made in that other thread about CCM.

So are you a Broncos fan? I used to be a fan...now I'm a FANATIC

 

Well, yeah! The Broncos are actually almost a religion here in Denver, with the Avalanche almost one as well. This is a great sports town. As a matter of fact, I am going to see the Rockies and the Astros play at Coors day after tomorrow. Since I am really from Houston, the only time I root against the Rockies is when they play my 'stros! (BTW, let's forget they got swept in their first World Series appearance last season. Shhhh!!)

 

Is it Unethical to be a Broncos fan?

 

Only if you are from Foat Wuth!

 

No...just ask Jerry Jones...because no way he can be a Cowboys fan anymore. I'm not even sure how the 'boys can have teams meetings...due to the restriction of felons on probation not being around other known felons hahahahaha (an old one but always a good one )

 

No...just ask Jerry Jones...because no way he can be a Cowboys fan anymore. I'm not even sure how the 'boys can have teams meetings...due to the restriction of felons on probation not being around other known felons hahahahaha (an old one but always a good one ) </font>[/QUOTE] love it
Jerry Jones the man who ruined America's Team

 

Yep. I have not gotten over how he unceremoniously dumped Tom Landry. No class.

 

See isn't it more fun to bash a millionaire NFL owner than a fellow BB member

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