That "new revelation" is the Preaching and teaching of the scriptures, no extra revelation today!
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Is it Wrong to Pray for and Desire Real Prophecy
- Thread starter Steven Yeadon
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That logic could be used against the two witnesses.
Jesus said it!
Yes He did. But it is not proper teaching to use that verse against what may be genuine prophets. Jesus didn't say the only people in the end times will be false prophets.
he did say to us thru revelation that there will be ONLY those 2 eyewitness in the end times, and that all others are bogus!
Particular
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Prophecy as recorded in scripture can be a brand new revelation or a forthtelling of an older revelation to the moment.
If you believe in new revelations from God, then there could be a potential adding of inspired scripture to the Canon. This is what both Muhammed and Joseph Smith claimed with their revelations.
I reject new revelations as antichrist. God has revealed to us all we need for Godly living.
However, God can use a brother or sister to speak a specific scripture to us that cuts to the heart of our hidden sin (like Nathan did with David). That is a prophetic foretelling to a specific person by ordinance and providence of God. I believe God still does this form of prophetic work today.
I guess the problem with that is, where do you find that doctrine in the bible? Also 1 John exhorts us to test the spirits. Jesus says to test prophets in the Sermon on the Mount. Thus, we are commanded in the bible to test prophets, their spirits, and Deuteronomy has two tests of their message. To test it's accuracy and whether it testifies to Yahweh and Jesus Christ. After you include instruction in John.
Reformed1689
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I mean if you want to go the Deuteronomy route we should be putting the false ones to death right?
Particular
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Would you accept a new book being added to the Canon of the Bible by a new prophesy?
Yes because the apostles wrote the new testament, and Paul was stated as the last of them, as one untimely born.
If this was the theocracy of Israel, then yes. We must give church discipline to modern day false prophets.
Particular
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So new prophets and new books can be added to the Bible, according to your perspective?
Oops sorry. My last post should read that I would have a problem with new books of scripture since the time of apostles is past.
1. The passage is not out of context.
2. Extra biblical revelation is not consistent w the witness of early christians. They declared the era of this ended w the death of John.
3. Why do we need extra when we dont even do what is written very well
1. I disagree. I must say though that the context assumes plenty of miraculous evidence on Jesus' behalf. Jesus later references his resurrection, the sign of Jonah, which is a miracle the faith is founded on attested to by hundreds of witnesses. Lastly, the scripture you reference doesn't seem to apply to authentic, biblical prophecy.
2. This is not true. Martyrology in church history taught me that. Remember martyrs and confessors in the early church can sometimes be considered prophets. The most famous of them is Perpetua.
3. That is an odd point to me. The prophecies in Revelation to the churches are a great example of that principle not being in play. Those churches are struggling, most of them, and the words of Christ are not weighing them down further but trying to lift them up out of the mire.
Believe what you will. There is no Biblical basis for any of it.
If true individual prophecy exists then the Bible can mean anything someone wants it to mean
Got thrown out of a church in Brownsburg IN for this same thing. Some yahoo claimed to see “the hand of God” which is an example of where it all ends. Thankfully, the church as it existed at that time died out
If true individual prophecy exists then the Bible can mean anything someone wants it to mean
Got thrown out of a church in Brownsburg IN for this same thing. Some yahoo claimed to see “the hand of God” which is an example of where it all ends. Thankfully, the church as it existed at that time died out
I don't think foreknowledge, which I know God sometimes gives, is necessarily prophecy
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My grandfather and grandmother, sitting together in their home, on an evening in 1915, both saw a vision that appeared before them. The vision was of a neighbor in a casket. The next day, they were told by other neighbors, that the man had committed suicide that night. The vision, being immediately realized, and though tragic, increased my grandfather's faith in what had already been a tragedy filled life prior to that, to be able to endure an increasingly more tragic life yet ahead.
I had a dream concerning a serious illness I would have. I thought it was just a common dream. Until I started the experience of going through the illness. I experienced the Lord's intervention and His comforting to go through the experience. Everything happened exactly as it was in the dream. He went through the valley with me, and I was faith filled throughout, because of the foreknowledge I was given. Just as in the dream, the doctors were confounded by what I experienced. After being sent to several specialists, for follow up visits, they still don't understand. It's not meant for them to understand. It was meant to increase my faith.
H.E.L.P. ministrie's Scottie Drake is a member of our church. He testified of Iraqi Christians in underground churches in Iraq that had abandoned Islam. They had heard scriptures spoken to them in dreams. They had never heard scriptures before. Then they found out the scriptures they heard were words Jesus had spoken in the New Testament. Scottie Drake also fell ill and into a coma for a few weeks, 1.5 years ago. He came very close to death but the Lord restored him.
In every instance of foreknowledge, the result was bringing to faith or increasing faith.
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My grandfather and grandmother, sitting together in their home, on an evening in 1915, both saw a vision that appeared before them. The vision was of a neighbor in a casket. The next day, they were told by other neighbors, that the man had committed suicide that night. The vision, being immediately realized, and though tragic, increased my grandfather's faith in what had already been a tragedy filled life prior to that, to be able to endure an increasingly more tragic life yet ahead.
I had a dream concerning a serious illness I would have. I thought it was just a common dream. Until I started the experience of going through the illness. I experienced the Lord's intervention and His comforting to go through the experience. Everything happened exactly as it was in the dream. He went through the valley with me, and I was faith filled throughout, because of the foreknowledge I was given. Just as in the dream, the doctors were confounded by what I experienced. After being sent to several specialists, for follow up visits, they still don't understand. It's not meant for them to understand. It was meant to increase my faith.
H.E.L.P. ministrie's Scottie Drake is a member of our church. He testified of Iraqi Christians in underground churches in Iraq that had abandoned Islam. They had heard scriptures spoken to them in dreams. They had never heard scriptures before. Then they found out the scriptures they heard were words Jesus had spoken in the New Testament. Scottie Drake also fell ill and into a coma for a few weeks, 1.5 years ago. He came very close to death but the Lord restored him.
In every instance of foreknowledge, the result was bringing to faith or increasing faith.
Steve arent you a pastor at a Baptist Church?
I am sorry you were kicked out of a church due to a false prophet. I am dispassionately seeking the truth of scripture.
I believe you are interpreting the bible wrongly.
You ignored my church history example and pursued an unrelated argument.
You seem to believe all revelation is up there with scripture, a doctrine disproven by the bible.