Is Jesus Going to be Demoted from His Heavenly Throne to a Throne here on Earth? No, There Will Be No Earthly Throne of Jesus.

[Alan Dale Gross]

There Will Be No Earthly Throne of Jesus.
— The Three Key “Throne” Prophecies.​

Is Jesus going to be demoted from His Heavenly Throne to a Throne here on Earth?

It cannot happen.

There are three Prophetic statements that Jesus Christ would break
if He were to Reign on David’s throne in Earthly Jerusalem.

1. Christ Will Be a Priest on His Throne.​

The Messiah was going to be both a King and a Priest on this Throne, in Prophecy, not a King only.

There are two Prophecies that make this fact clear.

First, let us look at those two Prophecies,
then we will see how they preclude a Reign of Christ on an Earthly throne.

Psalms 110:4;

"Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedec."

Melchisedec was king of Salem and a priest of God (Genesis 14:18).

When the Psalmist likens the Messiah to Melchizedec
he is saying that Messiah will be both King and Priest.

Zechariah 6:12-13;

"He Will be a, Priest on His Throne."

At the time this was spoken the king was Zerubbabel and the priest was Joshua.

In all of Israel’s history, the offices of king and priest were held by different persons.

But the Branch (the Messiah) would fill both Offices.

He would be a Priest on His Throne. He would be both Priest and King.

The Hebrew writer has much to say about this matter of Christ being, after the order of Melchisedec, both a King and Priest in Hebrews chapters 5 to 8.

His conclusion is that "if Christ were on Earth He would not be a Priest" (Hebrews 8:4).

The reason for this conclusion is very simple.

Christ was of the wrong tribe to be a Priest on Earth!

He was of the tribe of Judah. To be a Priest on Earth He would have to be of the tribe of Levi.

Jesus was not a Levite, so He could not be a Priest an Earth.

If Christ could not be a Priest an Earth, yet had to be a Priest on His Throne,
it follows that Jesus' Throne could not be on Earth.

It’s simple matters like this that the premillennialist overlooks.

But now let me show you another simple fact that again makes impossible an Earthly Throne of Christ .

2. Christ is Jehoiachin’s Descendant.​

There is a Prophecy concerning the throne of David which addresses king Jehoiachin, the second to last king to sit on David’s throne.

Jeremiah 22:28-30;

"No man of his descendants will prosper sitting an the throne of David or ruling again in Judah"

Christ is a descendant of Jehoiachin
and no descendant of Jehoiachin can prosper on David's throne in Jerusalem.

King Jehoiachin (also called Jeconiah and Coniah) was the last king to sit on David’s throne in Jerusalem.

He was one of the wicked kings and so the Lord says that none of his descendants will prosper sitting on the throne of David or ruling again in Judah.

Jehoiachin was subsequently carried off with his people into captivity by the Babylonians. They put his uncle Zedekiah on the throne, prior to their destroying Jerusalem.

When the remnant of Judah returned to Jerusalem after the 70 year exile, Jehoiachin’s grandson Zerubbabel led Judah. However, Zerubbabel did not restore David’s throne or sit on it. He was not in any sense a king. He is called "governor of Judah" (Haggai 2:2).

Now Jesus was a descendant of Jehoiachin (Jeconiah) through Shealtiel and Zerubbabel .

You can see that fact in his genealogy in Matthew 1:12 or Luke 3:27.

Do you see the significance? Jesus is a descendant of Jehoiachin (also called Jeconiah or Coniah).

No descendant of that man could prosper on the throne of David in Jerusalem.

So if Jesus Reigns on David’s throne in Jerusalem He cannot prosper.

It is so written in Jeremiah, and the scripture cannot be broken.

The only way that Jesus can sit on David’s throne and prosper
is to Reign on that throne in Heaven, and that’s exactly what He is doing right now.

3. Christ Reigns When David Sleeps.​

Another Prophecy says that Christ is to Reign when David is asleep with his fathers.

2 Samuel 7:12-16

"When... you lie down with your fathers, I Will Raise Up your descendant after you...
I Will establish the Throne of His Kingdom Forever".

This shows that Christ would Reign while David was asleep with his fathers. In the supposed "Millennium" (say the premillennialists) David is not going to be dead, but alive and well as one of the Resurrected Old Testament saints.

If Christ is to Reign while David is dead, and David will not be dead in the presumed "Millennial Kingdom, on Earth", then it stands to reason that Christ will not Reign in the "Millennial Kingdom, on Earth".

Jesus' Reign is in Heaven.

 

[xlsdraw]

Baloney.

 

[David Lamb]

Baloney.

Just the single word "baloney" just tells us you don't agree with the OP. It would be a lot more interesting to know why you think it's baloney.

 

[Jope]

Augustine, Father of Amillennialism, in his commentary on Psalms 9:11, states that he believes Christ has not yet sat on David's throne.

Psa 9:11. "Sing praises to the Lord who dwells in Zion! Declare His deeds among the people."

To the Old Testament church the Lord revealed Himself as seated between the cherubim on the mercy-seat. Christ is this seat to us. In Him we have constant access to our God, and always find a ready welcome. In Him we draw near to God, and He draws near to us. But the fullness of this truth will not be known until the glorious manifestation of the incarnate God; until He shall take His seat on the throne of David, and sit royally on Zion’s hill. In knowledge of His present mercy, in forethought of His coming kingdom, let praise be ever on our lips. Let our constant utterance magnify His doings past, His doings present, and His doings in the coming age.

Elsewhere, Augustine states he believes Jesus is presently sitting on it.

Augustine also said this, right before Psalm 9:11:

Psa 9:7-8. "But the Lord shall endure forever; He has prepared His throne for judgment. He shall judge the world in righteousness, and He shall administer judgment to the peoples in uprightness."

What a glorious kingdom now follows! All rule, all authority and power, are now put down. God is enthroned the only Lord. His scepter is uprightness. Thus He shall reign forever and ever. Sin is forever annihilated. It can no longer disturb, or vex, or soil. The righteous God rules over a righteous world. His people shall be all holy. Holiness and love shall be on each brow. Holiness alone is the atmosphere of the new earth.

Augustine thought the new earth to exist and for the kingdom to exist over it.

(Amillennial) Matthew Henry's Commentary on Rev. 3:21 is in tune with this, in claiming that the throne Jesus sits on at His second advent is distinguished from the prior throne He sat on.

"The promise made to the overcoming believer. It is here implied, (1.) That though this church seemed to be wholly overrun and overcome with lukewarmness and self-confidence, yet it was possible that by the reproofs and counsels of Christ they might be inspired with fresh zeal and vigour, and might come off conquerors in their spiritual warfare. (2.) That, if they did so, all former faults should be forgiven, and they should have a great reward. And what is that reward? They shall sit down with me on my throne, as I also overcame, and have sat down with my Father on his throne, Rev 3:21. Here it is intimated, [1.] That Christ himself had met with his temptations and conflicts. [2.] That he overcame them all, and was more than a conqueror. [3.] That, as the reward of his conflict and victory, he has sat down with God the Father on his throne, possessed of that glory which he had with the Father from eternity, but which he was pleased very much to conceal on earth, leaving it as it were in the hands of the Father, as a pledge that he would fulfil the work of a Saviour before he reassumed that manifestative glory; and, having done so, then pignus reposcere - he demands the pledge, to appear in his divine glory equal to the Father. [4.] That those who are conformed to Christ in his trials and victories shall be conformed to him in his glory; they shall sit down with him on his throne, on his throne of judgment at the end of the world, on his throne of glory to all eternity, shining in his beams by virtue of their union with him and relation to him, as the mystical body of which he is the head."
- Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible, Revelation 3:21, bold emphases added

 

[Jope]

Kim Riddlebarger associated David's throne to its earthly property in earthly Jerusalem.

"Throughout the testimony of Israel’s prophets, the coming Messiah was also to be a great king. Zechariah wrote, 'Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you' (9:9). Nathan and Isaiah prophesied that the Redeemer would sit on the throne of David and establish an everlasting kingdom (see 2 Sam. 7:12–13; Isa. 9:7). Christians celebrate these events on Palm Sunday, when these prophecies were fulfilled as Jesus entered Jerusalem one week before his passion" (Riddlebarger, A Case for Amillennialism, Baker, 2013, p. 68, bold emphasis added).

 

[Jope]

William Hendriksen believed Christ would get off His throne to dine with the believer.

"Here, in the expression, 'if any man . . . open the door,' [Rev. 3:20-22] the reference is to conversion, to repentance and faith in Christ, as the context clearly indicates. The Lord enters (John 14:23). How wonderful! He, as it were, descends from the throne of His glory in order to dine with this individual who in himself is so poor and pitiable. Christ and the believer dine together, which in the East was an indication of special friendship and of covenant relationship. In other words, the believer has blessed fellowship with his Savior and Lord (John 14:23; 15:5; 1 John 2:24). That fellowship begins even in this present life, It is perfected in the hereafter when the conqueror shall sit with Christ on His throne, just as Christ, the conqueror, sat down with His Father on His throne" - William Hendriksen, More than Conquerors, Baker, 2015, pp. 216-7, bold and italic emphases added

 

[Jope]

Even William Hendriksen believes in a distinction between the throne Jesus (the Lamb) sits on in the new heaven and earth (Rev 22:1), and the throne He sat on prior.

"The seven lamps and the sea of glass are also before the throne (4:5, 6). The Lamb (L) stands between the throne and the living ones on the one side, and the twenty-four elders on the other (5:6). But the Lamb later advances to the throne (5:7), and is now seated on it with the Father (22:1)" - William Hendriksen, More than Conquerors, Baker, 2015, pp. 231-2, bold emphases added

 

[Jope]

Hendriksen believes that the coveted throne of Christ is earthly:

"Throughout this entire gospel age-the forty-two months, which we have already discussed-the governments of this world place themselves on the throne , arrogate to themselves the authority that belongs to God (think of the totalitarian governments of the present day), and blaspheme God and heaven" - Hendriksen, More than Conquerors, Baker, 2015, p. 398

He (Hendriksen) also believed that the new Jerusalem "sojourns on earth" (ibid., p. 539).

 

[Jope]

Also, if there is no earthly throne of Jesus,

The only way that Jesus can sit on David’s throne and prosper
is to Reign on that throne in Heaven, and that’s exactly what He is doing right now.

why do we read that the earthly kingdoms bring their gifts, their splendor, glory and honour, to the new Jerusalem (Rev. 21:24-26)?

 

[kyredneck]

Jeremiah 22:28-30;

"No man of his descendants will prosper sitting an the throne of David or ruling again in Judah"

Christ is a descendant of Jehoiachin
and no descendant of Jehoiachin can prosper on David's throne in Jerusalem.

King Jehoiachin (also called Jeconiah and Coniah) was the last king to sit on David’s throne in Jerusalem.

Very good!

Ruling from David’s throne in Jerusalem. Lo here! Lo there! Lo here! He's over here in Jerusalem!

Not.

Luke 17:23-24

23 And they shall say to you, Lo, there! Lo, here! go not away, nor follow after them:
24 for as the lightning, when it lighteneth out of the one part under the heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall the Son of man be in his day. Lu 17

He was not to come on a lightning bolt, nor on a cloud, nor on a white horse, the Son of Man is now, at this time, in His day, EVERYWHERE.

 

[Jope]

Very good!

Ruling from David’s throne in Jerusalem.

So you believe the angel, Mary and Zechariah were deceived (Luke 1)? The angel told Mary that the earthly child born to her would be given the throne of David. Mary and Zechariah believed the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants were in consideration upon the coming of the Messiah to planet earth.
If Jehoiachin cancelled the Davidic covenant, why does the Angel tell Mary that Christ would be given David's throne?

Do you guys even think before you post?

 

[Jope]

There Will Be No Earthly Throne of Jesus.​

— The Three Key “Throne” Prophecies.​

Is Jesus going to be demoted from His Heavenly Throne to a Throne here on Earth?

It cannot happen.

There are three Prophetic statements that Jesus Christ would break
if He were to Reign on David’s throne in Earthly Jerusalem.

Did you know that the gnostics believed Jesus was only a non-physical being, how does your (and @kyredneck )'s view differ from this?

Hippolytus:

"Now a person might say that these men, and those who hold a different opinion, are yet near neighbours, being involved in like error. For those men, indeed, either profess that Christ came into our life a mere man, and deny the talent of His divinity, or else, acknowledging Him to be God, they deny, on the other hand, His humanity, and teach that His appearances to those who saw Him as man were illusory, inasmuch as He did not bear with Him true manhood, but was rather a kind of phantom manifestation. Of this class are, for example, Marcion and Valentinus, and the Gnostics, who sunder the Word from the flesh, and thus set aside the one talent, viz., the incarnation." - Fragments of Discourses or Homilies, X

And to find out about how Hippolytus went against the same opponents of the Apostle John, we just have to read the next fragment:

"The body of the Lord presented both these to the world, the sacred blood and the holy water [1 John 5:6]" - Fragments of Discourses or Homilies, XI, section 1

 

[timtofly]

There is a Prophecy concerning the throne of David which addresses king Jehoiachin, the second to last king to sit on David’s throne.

You have your facts wrong.

Jesus was not a descendant of Joseph by birth, but by adoption. God fixed that which man destroyed.

"the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."

Nothing about Jesus seeking the throne through paternal descent via Joseph.

Mary was not a descendant of Solomon, who was of the kingly line, but Nathan. Two totally different genealogies from David. Jesus was not a biological descendant of Johoiachin through Mary. They were cousins and distant relatives. Jesus had no claim to the throne through biological descent through Solomon, nor Johoiachin.

Joseph was not the biological father, but he was told to name the child, and raise him as his own son, and not make a public example of Mary, who would have been condemned as a harlot, having a child, out of wedlock. Did your point need Joseph to be the biological father, so Jesus would have been a direct descendant? Obviously Joseph was a carpenter, and had no desire to be considered royalty, which kept your prophesy in tact.

Do you think the Holy Spirit provided the genealogical records (both of them), or did Matthew and Luke have to go look them up in the Temple?

"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,"

"And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."

So did Luke or Matthew get confused about who was Joseph's father? Do you think that Heli was actually the father of Mary, and by marriage Joseph was considered his son in law?

Luke gives us Mary's genealogy and simply inserted Joseph instead of Mary, being the legal way to do it:

"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the husband of Mary which was the daughter of Heli,"

Mary was the daughter of Heli, but after marriage, Joseph would be considered the son of Heli legally.

Matthew only goes back to Abraham and David. Luke traces the genealogy back to Adam and declares Adam the son of God, which is true. Although Adam was just one son of God out of many. Matthew was confirming to his Hebrew audience that Jesus was both from Abraham and David:

"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."

Luke was showing us the legal direct biological descent all the way to Jesus being the son of Adam, the son of God. Obviously Adam was not the biological son of God, but was created in God's image along with many sons of God.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Also, if there is no earthly throne of Jesus,

why do we read that the earthly kingdoms bring their gifts, their splendor, glory and honour, to the new Jerusalem (Rev. 21:24-26)?

Why don't you read, for yourself what you wrote, that, "the earthly kingdoms bring their gifts, their splendor, glory and honour, to the new Jerusalem (Rev. 21:24-26)?"

According to Revelation 21:10; "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem..."

Your question is in regard to "the new Jerusalem", "that great city, the holy Jerusalem", that John was shown when he was, "carried...away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed," which he describes in that entire 21st chapter of Revelation.

21:22; "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

That Jerusalem is not the old city of Jerusalem on Earth, it is what you called, "the new Jerusalem."
...

And, as long as we have gone on to the final two chapters of Revelation, maybe you can explain your double dependence on your position which has to "add to" and "take away from the Words of this Prophecy".

It looks to me like God Warns in Revelation 22:18; "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19; "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

So, for you to always "add to" Revelation 20:1-6, the words, "on Earth"

and for you to also always "take away", the words,

"the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands"

and 6; "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,",

seems to me to be some kind of extrabiblical nonsense and Tomfoolery, that is in direct opposition to Revelation 22:18 & 19.

Right or wrong?

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

So you believe the angel, Mary and Zechariah were deceived (Luke 1)? The angel told Mary that the earthly child born to her would be given the throne of David.

Mary and Zechariah believed the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants were in consideration upon the coming of the Messiah to planet earth.

If Jehoiachin cancelled the Davidic covenant, why does the Angel tell Mary that Christ would be given David's throne?

Do you guys even think before you post?

Think about what? that Mary and Joseph are both part of the House of David and fulfilled the Prophecy that the Messiah would Descend from King David's lineage:

• Joseph;
  Joseph is a descendant of David, as shown in both genealogies. Jesus' legal title to the throne of King David came through Joseph.
• Mary;
  Mary is not mentioned as a descendant of David in New Testament sources, but she became part of the House of David through her marriage to Joseph. Jesus' blood title to the throne came through Mary.
  
  and that the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary that she would conceive and give birth to a son named Jesus, who would be called the son of the highest and would receive the throne of David?

New thread: The Throne Promise that God made to David
has been Fulfilled by
"the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star".

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Did you know that the gnostics believed Jesus was only a non-physical being, how does your (and @kyredneck )'s view differ from this?

Jesus was physical.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Did your point need Joseph to be the biological father, so Jesus would have been a direct descendant?

being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph

Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."

Matthew was confirming to his Hebrew audience that Jesus was both from Abraham and David:

"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."

Luke was showing us the legal direct biological descent all the way to Jesus being the son of Adam, the son of God.

Jesus was not in the, "direct biological descent all the way to Jesus being the son of Adam", because Adam fell in sin and all of his direct biological descentents were naturally born sinners, which Jesus was not.

Mary and Joseph are both part of the House of David and fulfilled the Prophecy that the Messiah would Descend from King David's lineage:

• Joseph;
  Joseph is a descendant of David, as shown in both genealogies. Jesus' Legal Title to the throne of King David came through Joseph.
• Mary;
  Mary is not mentioned as a descendant of David in New Testament sources, but she became part of the House of David through her marriage to Joseph. Jesus' Blood Title to the throne came through Mary.
  
  and the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary that she would conceive and give birth to a son named Jesus, who would be called the son of the highest and would receive the throne of David.

Which He did.

 

[Jope]

Why don't you read, for yourself what you wrote, that, "the earthly kingdoms bring their gifts, their splendor, glory and honour, to the new Jerusalem (Rev. 21:24-26)?"

Thanks for the easy win then.

Have you figured out what the terms "long-winded" and "circumlocution" mean yet?

 

[Jope]

Mary is not mentioned as a descendant of David in New Testament sources, but she became part of the House of David through her marriage to Joseph.

Wrong. She was already a part of the house of David before she met Joseph. Unless you believe Joseph had two fathers, Heli and Jacob?

"The names of women were not usually included in Hebrew genealogy. Likewise, women and children were not named in United States census records until 1850 unless the women were heads of household." The Genealogy of Jesus

 

[MrW]

Yes, the Lord Jesus will sit on David’s Throne on earth for 1000 years but no, will NOT be demoted.