Is Jesus Omniscient?

[JonC]

Do you believe that Christ Jesus was ever, while on this earth, less than almighty God?

Depends on what you mean.

Do I believe that the Word became flesh, that the Son made Himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant?

Yes.

Do I believe "of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."

Yes. Thats what the Bible says.

But do I believe this made Christ less God?

No.


You, not I, created that problem. I do not believe that Jesus not knowing the hour which only the Father knows makes Him less God. That was your mistake.

How do you address Chriat's claim that there was something the Father knew that He did not?

 

[37818]

Do you believe that Christ Jesus was ever, while on this earth, less than almighty God?

He was both less when He became part of His creation and never was not fully Almighty God. See Isaiah 43:10-11.

 

[KenH]

He was both less when He became part of His creation and never was not fully Almighty God. See Isaiah 43:10-11.

Christ Jesus was never less than almighty God on this earth. He was BOTH fully God and fully Man on this earth at the same time.

 

[JonC]

Do you believe that Christ Jesus was ever, while on this earth, less than almighty God?

Do you believe Jesus' words in Mark 13:32–33 that "of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."?

 

[37818]

Christ Jesus was never less than almighty God on this earth. He was BOTH fully God and fully Man on this earth at the same time.

You are contradicting your your view of Him being fully Man.

Hosea 11:9, ". . . for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: . . ."

 

[KenH]

Do you believe Jesus' words in Mark 13:32–33 that "of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."?

Please allow me to deal with this verse, as well as Matthew 24:36.

"neither the Son; Christ, as the son of man; though he did know it as the Son of God, who knows all things, and so this; but as the son of man, and from his human nature he had no knowledge of any thing future: what knowledge he had of future things in his humanity, he had from his deity; nor, as man, had he any commission to make known, nor did he make known the day of God's vengeance on the Jews."

- from John Gill's Bible commentary on Mark 13:32

"The Ethiopic version adds here, "nor the son", and so the Cambridge copy of Beza's; which seems to be transcribed from Mark 13:32 where that phrase stands; and must be understood of Christ as the son of man, and not as the Son of God; for as such, he lay in the bosom of the Father, and knew all his purposes and designs; for these were purposed in him: he knew from the beginning who would betray him, and who would believe in him; he knew what would befall the rejecters of him, and when that would come to pass; as he must know also the day of the last judgment, since it is appointed by God, and he is ordained to execute it."

- from John Gill's Bible commentary on Matthew 24:36

"but my Father only; to the exclusion of all creatures, angels and men; but not to the exclusion of Christ as God, who, as such, is omniscient; nor of the Holy Spirit, who is acquainted with the deep things of God, the secrets of his heart."

- also from John Gill's Bible commentary on Matthew 24:36

 

[KenH]

You are contradicting your your view of Him being fully Man.

Nope.

 

[KenH]

Do you believe Jesus' words in Mark 13:32–33 that "of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone."?

Yes. Please see my post #26 above.

 

[37818]

Nope.

You do understand Jesus being Man is not God and Him being God is not Man. He is both and is one Person being the Son.

 

[JonC]

Fine. Let me deal with this verse and get it out of the way so those of you who apparently think that Christ Jesus was not fully God while on this earth but only partly-God on this earth

I'll stop here (without reading the rest of this post) because this is a Strawman argument.

Nobody has remotely indicated that Jesus was not fully God, or that Jesus was ever partly God.

It is unreasonable to expect an intelligent response from a less than honest introduction.

 

[KenH]

*John 1:18*
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

John 14:8-9 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

This answer plus what I have posted on this subject since you posted several verses, have I answered your questions?

 

[KenH]

You do understand Jesus being Man is not God and Him being God is not Man. He is both and is one Person.

Christ Jesus, while on this earth, was fully God and fully Man - the God-Man. Period. I am writing in pretty plain English and what I am communicating shouldn't be difficult to understand.

 

[JonC]

Yes. Please see my post #26 above.

I read it. It is wrong. Christ is fully God and fully man. You are presenting Christ as divided - Christ the Son means Son of man who was not omniscient whike Christ the Son could mean Son of God who is omniscient.

The fact is the Son did not know the hour, ONLY the Father (which excludes the Son) knew.

 

[KenH]

I'll stop here (without reading the rest of this post) because this is a Strawman argument.

Nobody has remotely indicated that Jesus was not fully God, or that Jesus was ever partly God.

It is unreasonable to expect an intelligent response from a less than honest introduction.

I redid the introduction. You can read the rest of the post now.

 

[JonC]

Christ Jesus, while on this earth, was fully God and fully Man - the God-Man. Period. I am writing in pretty plain English and what I am communicating shouldn't be difficult to understand.

The difficulty is you present Christ as the Son of man at times, the Son of God at other times - each having different attributed.

You post that Christ as the Son of Man did not know own the hour, but Christ the Son of God did (even though Scripture says ONLY the Father knew).

You are allowing our inability to explain how Christ can be fully God and fully man at the same time to venture into unbiblical territory.

 

[37818]

. . . the God-Man. Period. . . .

Not according to the word of God. My view is strictly Biblical.

 

[KenH]

The fact is the Son did not know the hour, ONLY the Father (which excludes the Son) knew.

Christ Jesus has always known the day, the hour, the minute, the very second. Otherwise, He would not be God. He knows it as God, not as Man. While on this earth Christ Jesus was fully God and never ceased to be fully God with all that means. So even while on this earth Christ Jesus as God was omniscient.

Please, folks, step back and look at the forest and don't just gaze at the trees.

 

[KenH]

The difficulty is you present Christ as the Son of man at times, the Son of God at other times - each having different attributed.

Christ Jesus had both a Divine and a human nature. God couldn't die. Man can't kill God. God had to take on flesh in order to die as the propitiation for the elect.

 

[JonC]

Christ Jesus has always known the day, the hour, the minute, the very second. Otherwise, He would not be God.

Begging the question.

Christ Jesus said He did not know, that ONLY the Father knew. This does not make Jesus less than God.

 

[JonC]

Christ Jesus had both a Divine and a human nature. God couldn't die. Man can't kill God. God had to take on flesh in order to die as the propitiation for the elect.

Yes. God died for us. All Christians know this (it is a tenet of our faith).