Is Obama Anti-Christian?

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

Two Things....

#1...I believe Obama is..at the very least pro-Islam and anti-Constitutional. I personally believe he is for all practical purposes a traitor to the principles of the founding fathers of our nation. However, He is in "power" because God allowed him to be. As Christians we have to acknowledge the possibility that God's purpose MAY JUST BE to bring this nation into and under the judgement that "we so richly DESERVE" because we have collectively abandoned Him and His ways of Righteousness.

#2.... David Barton is not infallible and as such will always be prone to error. However..the article posted in the OP is a good one and all that stuff is a matter of public record as far as I can tell. I believe in as much as he can be he is as good a man as any of the rest of us and I support his apparent motive to bring the citizens of our country back to an awareness of the spiritual nature of the roots we were founded on as a nation. Let us NOT "throw the baby out with the bathwater". Where he is wrong in his view of "history" he must be corrected. I read a statement he made where he said he has "documentation" to support his assertions. If so, he definitely needs to share it. Some of his documentation may be faulty...who knows...or it could be right...again..who REALLY knows. In any case...I'm not willing to completely discard all his work because it fails to meet OUR misplaced "standard" of historical PERFECTION. Sometimes...as you are eating that watermelon with ALL ITS SWEETNESS...you have to spit out those annoying little seeds! By the way...as far as I can tell, David's "worldview" is the same as ours (for the most part) and there is NO DENYING that the secular historians (revisionists) are trying to bury ANY mention of the spiritual heritage our country was founded on. Barton has stuck his very public NECK on a very public "chopping block"...would we do the same????

OBAMA has to go...I agree...but...are we prepared for the Mormon/Catholic ticket that may follow? That would raise a whole new set of questions...wouldn't it now!:type:

Bro.Greg

 

[InTheLight]

The following from the OP reference says all that needs to be said!

4. Acts of preferentialism for Islam:

May 2009 – While Obama does not host any National Day of Prayer event at the White House, he does host White House Iftar dinners in honor of Ramadan. {47}

Thu Sep 18th 2008

President Bush attended an Iftaar dinner with diplomatic officials and Muslim leaders to mark Ramadan yesterday. This is the eighth Iftaar dinner of his administration.

http://news.ebru.tv/en/usa/7321

August 2010 – Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity. {50}

...in a few short days, all of us will experience the wonder of Easter morning. And we will know, in the words of the Apostle Paul, “Christ Jesus…and Him crucified.”

It’s an opportunity for us to reflect on the triumph of the resurrection, and to give thanks for the all-important gift of grace. --Obama, April 4, 2012

2010 – While every White House traditionally issues hundreds of official proclamations and statements on numerous occasions, this White House avoids traditional Biblical holidays and events but regularly recognizes major Muslim holidays, as evidenced by its 2010 statements on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha. {52}

President Commemorates Eid al-Fitr
Remarks by the President on Eid Al-Fitr
The Islamic Center of Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C.
Dec 5, 2002

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021205-5.html


Eid al-Adha message from President Bush
Eid al-Adha, 2008

I send greetings to Muslims around the world celebrating Eid al-Adha, the Festival of Sacrifice.

Eid al-Adha commemorates Abraham's devotion to God, and it reminds us of God's mercy and provision for his people.

http://kabul.usembassy.gov/sp_120908.html

 

[Yeshua1]

Nothing new there - President Bush said the same thing

I don't like him doing that either, BUT at least president Bush acknowledge the Lord jesus as his Saviour, his death on the Cross as payment for his sins!

 

[Yeshua1]

#1...I believe Obama is..at the very least pro-Islam and anti-Constitutional. I personally believe he is for all practical purposes a traitor to the principles of the founding fathers of our nation. However, He is in "power" because God allowed him to be. As Christians we have to acknowledge the possibility that God's purpose MAY JUST BE to bring this nation into and under the judgement that "we so richly DESERVE" because we have collectively abandoned Him and His ways of Righteousness.

#2.... David Barton is not infallible and as such will always be prone to error. However..the article posted in the OP is a good one and all that stuff is a matter of public record as far as I can tell. I believe in as much as he can be he is as good a man as any of the rest of us and I support his apparent motive to bring the citizens of our country back to an awareness of the spiritual nature of the roots we were founded on as a nation. Let us NOT "throw the baby out with the bathwater". Where he is wrong in his view of "history" he must be corrected. I read a statement he made where he said he has "documentation" to support his assertions. If so, he definitely needs to share it. Some of his documentation may be faulty...who knows...or it could be right...again..who REALLY knows. In any case...I'm not willing to completely discard all his work because it fails to meet OUR misplaced "standard" of historical PERFECTION. Sometimes...as you are eating that watermelon with ALL ITS SWEETNESS...you have to spit out those annoying little seeds! By the way...as far as I can tell, David's "worldview" is the same as ours (for the most part) and there is NO DENYING that the secular historians (revisionists) are trying to bury ANY mention of the spiritual heritage our country was founded on. Barton has stuck his very public NECK on a very public "chopping block"...would we do the same????

OBAMA has to go...I agree...but...are we prepared for the Mormon/Catholic ticket that may follow? That would raise a whole new set of questions...wouldn't it now!:type:

Bro.Greg

To me, they are not, so far as I know, pushing tha anti God social agenda though!

 

[Zaac]

After reading the attached article, you decide if he is the most hostile POTUS ever!

SEE:http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938

He's an anti-Christ, so he is DEFINITELY anti-Christian.

 

[Arbo]

Is Obama Anti-Christian?

If not, he sure gives the impression that he is.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I don't like him doing that either, BUT at least president Bush acknowledge the Lord jesus as his Saviour, his death on the Cross as payment for his sins!

See the president's 2012 Easter message.

 

[webdog]

From the president's Easter 2012 message -




Read more: Obama delivers Easter message free from politics - Washington Times

Sura 9 allows muslims the freedom to even pretend to be infidels to further Islam. Just saying.

 

[convicted1]

He's a politician. He'd bow before anyone to get their vote. :laugh:

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

Sadly....

He's a politician. He'd bow before anyone to get their vote. :laugh:

Sadly...with things the way they are in the world of politics today that is probably more true than not. It is about power and money. There are very few true patriots anymore and the ones that do exist are hopelessly out-numbered.:tear:

Bro.Greg

 

[preachinjesus]

The saddest part about this whole thread is that you all think this actual matters. The RNC and the DNC don't care for a second about evangelicals and will do what ever they can to play them (any way) to get their goals accomplished. Its about power.

The Republican presidents have been just as bad as Democratic presidents in subverting the Christian ideals. The current President hasn't done anything to specifically attack Christians. Anyone who says he has is being ridiculous.

Listen, I've celebrated two Ramadan meals with Muslims in the past couple of weeks. That isn't anti-Christian. President Obama is the president of all the United States, not just Christians. He is the Commander in Chief, not the Pastor in Chief.

CK4 has pretty much posted exactly what I would have posted in reply at this point.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Sura 9 allows muslims the freedom to even pretend to be infidels to further Islam. Just saying.

Don't feel like reading all 129 verses tonight - do you have the reference handy please WD?

Plus, there is not a shred of evidence that the president is Muslim and bound in any way by the Koran.

 

[Yeshua1]

The saddest part about this whole thread is that you all think this actual matters. The RNC and the DNC don't care for a second about evangelicals and will do what ever they can to play them (any way) to get their goals accomplished. Its about power.

The Republican presidents have been just as bad as Democratic presidents in subverting the Christian ideals. The current President hasn't done anything to specifically attack Christians. Anyone who says he has is being ridiculous.

Listen, I've celebrated two Ramadan meals with Muslims in the past couple of weeks. That isn't anti-Christian. President Obama is the president of all the United States, not just Christians. He is the Commander in Chief, not the Pastor in Chief.

CK4 has pretty much posted exactly what I would have posted in reply at this point.

isn't his alliangence suppossed to be to jesus foremost? If yes, shouldn't hebe promoting a godly social agenda?

 

[webdog]

The saddest part about this whole thread is that you all think this actual matters. The RNC and the DNC don't care for a second about evangelicals and will do what ever they can to play them (any way) to get their goals accomplished. Its about power.

The Republican presidents have been just as bad as Democratic presidents in subverting the Christian ideals. The current President hasn't done anything to specifically attack Christians. Anyone who says he has is being ridiculous.

Listen, I've celebrated two Ramadan meals with Muslims in the past couple of weeks. That isn't anti-Christian. President Obama is the president of all the United States, not just Christians. He is the Commander in Chief, not the Pastor in Chief.

CK4 has pretty much posted exactly what I would have posted in reply at this point.

How does a believer "celebrate" one of the 5 pillars of Islam?! Why?

If I'm the POTUS I'm a Christian first and foremost. No antchrist religion will be celebrated in the WH during my term. This does not mean I'm promoting intolerance, it means my loyalties cannot be divided.

 

[webdog]

C4K, it wasn't Sura 9, I was thinking of something different. Here are some references from the Koran and Hadith
http://www.siotw.org/modules/news_english/item.php?itemid=93

 

[righteousdude2]

Were these Anti-Christian Acts....

Supporting gay marriage?

Supporting abortion?

Supporting the "Ask, don't tell" bill?

Placing an insurmountable debt on future generations [poor stewardship], and for what purpose? We've seen none of the promises he put forth, manifest in more than three years!

I'm sure there are more points to make, but let's just try to digest these....:tear:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

C4K, it wasn't Sura 9, I was thinking of something different. Here are some references from the Koran and Hadith
http://www.siotw.org/modules/news_english/item.php?itemid=93

The sad thing is someone could take our Bibles and give us their own slant and take things out of context to justify lying, murder, killing religious enemies, or any number of acts of wickedness. I don't know enough about the Koran to know the passages described on the obvious anti-Muslim website.

Islam is a false religion, but I think we need to be careful that we know what we are talking about before we adopt claims made by other people.

There is a temptation to vent anger on a whole group of people. I think sometimes it would be like if Muslims used Westboro Baptist to build a case against all baptists.

Let's expose error, but let's be sure we don't use error to do so.

 

[righteousdude2]

This....

Let's expose error, but let's be sure we don't use error to do so.

....is wisdom in action! :thumbsup:

 

[saturneptune]

Are Mormons anti Christian? It appears Obama is anti Christian, but the evidence is opinion. How the Mormon church feels about Jesus Christ is in print, black and white. There is no doubt about the fact that the status of Jesus Christ is that of a super angel, brother of Gabriel and Lucifer, a created being. Contrast that with Jesus Christ being God, fully divine, and the Creator, not a created being. Now that sounds anti Christian.

Having said that, there is no way I am voting for Obama.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

If I'm the POTUS I'm a Christian first and foremost. No antchrist religion will be celebrated in the WH during my term. This does not mean I'm promoting intolerance, it means my loyalties cannot be divided.

So where does that leave us with Gov Romney? His religion is certainly anti-Christ. To be consistent does that mean he ignores all other religions while he is in office, including Biblical Christianity?