Is our theology derived mainly from the Gospels or Epistles then?

[1689Dave]

Jewish not due to circomcision, as they were Jewish by being ancestors to one of the 12 tribes of Israel!

Even among the relatives, those not circumcised were excommunicated and remained gentiles.

“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee: every man-child among you shall all be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man-child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man-child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people: he hath broken my covenant.’” Genesis 17:10–14 (NCPB)

This is why those calling themselves Biblical Jews are lying. Because Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross.

“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie: behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” Revelation 3:9 (NCPB)

 

[Yeshua1]

Even among the relatives, those not circumcised were excommunicated and remained gentiles.

“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee: every man-child among you shall all be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man-child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man-child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people: he hath broken my covenant.’” Genesis 17:10–14 (NCPB)

This is why those calling themselves Biblical Jews are lying. Because Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross.

“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie: behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” Revelation 3:9 (NCPB)

jews are born such based upon being part of the 12 tribes of Israel, and circumcision did not make them Jewish, but part of the Old Covenant!

 

[kyredneck]

And He entered a house and wanted no one to know it,

What great lengths Martin will go to, to prove that Christ really didn't mean what He said, "I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Christ often sought relief from the multitudes in this manner but Martin twists the scripture to make it appear Christ was sneaking off in order to minister to non-Jews.

He did not come to preach the Gospel to whatever Jews may have been in the region of Tyre and Sidon

How do you know that? Where is that found in the text? How do you know that He actually even entered into Tyre and Sidon?

24 And from thence he arose, and went away into the borders of Tyre and Sidon....

He came specifically to heal this woman's daughter, because that is all He did there.

...and you're twisting the scripture to the point of dishonesty, all to dispute Christ's words.

"...And he entered into a house, and would have no man know it; and he could not be hid. But straightway a woman, whose little daughter had an unclean spirit, having heard of him, came and fell down at his feet."

She came to Him, not the other way around. Stop twisting the scriptures to fit your box.

Once again, the fact that Christ refused no one that came to Him in faith in no way negates His stated mission, "I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

And when He ministered to the Samaritan woman at the well, He also preached to many other Samaritans.

I suppose this is too far outside your box to grasp also:

12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his sons, and his cattle? Jn 4​

 

[1689Dave]

jews are born such based upon being part of the 12 tribes of Israel, and circumcision did not make them Jewish, but part of the Old Covenant!

It's a religion. Is Christianity a race? It's a large family made up of former gentiles, made Jews through circumcision. Some related to Abraham, many not related. And only one, Abraham's single seed Jesus was to come through Isaac. If it is blood, as you think, there would be only one tribe.

 

[Yeshua1]

It's a religion. Is Christianity a race? It's a large family made up of former gentiles, made Jews through circumcision. Some related to Abraham, many not related. And only one, Abraham's single seed Jesus was to come through Isaac. If it is blood, as you think, there would be only one tribe.

Gentiles who are saved are still Gentiles, where is this that we become now Jews?

 

[1689Dave]

Gentiles who are saved are still Gentiles, where is this that we become now Jews?

Circumcision made one a Jew. They are now gentiles since Christ abolished it.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Gentiles who are saved are still Gentiles, where is this that we become now Jews?

There is now only one people of God - believing Jew and believing Gentile together. This is the gist of Ephesians 2:11-22.
As for when we become Jews: try John 10:16; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:7, 26-29; Philippians 3:3; Colossians 3:11.

 

[kyredneck]

Gentiles who are saved are still Gentiles

Wrong.

29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Ro 2

where is this that we become now Jews?

Here:

3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh: Phil 3

 

[Yeshua1]

Wrong.

29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Ro 2



Here:

3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh: Phil 3

replacement theology?

 

[Yeshua1]

There is now only one people of God - believing Jew and believing Gentile together. This is the gist of Ephesians 2:11-22.
As for when we become Jews: try John 10:16; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:7, 26-29; Philippians 3:3; Colossians 3:11.

Jews and Gentiles still distinct!

 

[Yeshua1]

Circumcision made one a Jew. They are now gentiles since Christ abolished it.

Jews by birthright!

 

[1689Dave]

Jews by birthright!

They were excommunicated (Cut Off) if not circumcised.

“And the uncircumcised man-child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people: he hath broken my covenant.’” Genesis 17:14 (NCPB)

 

[Barry Johnson]

which would be the primary sources?

not rightly dividing is the issue . We cannot follow everything that was taught in the Gosepls . We cannot follow everything Jesus commanded in the Gosepls . We should not make the book of Acts a pattern for how we are saved today. The epistles are our pime source of doctrines for today . All of the bible is for us but all of the bible is not to us .

 

[Barry Johnson]

The Bible is all one book.
Acts 20:27. 'For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.'

but all the commands are not to us . We don't follow the command to build an Ark or offer sacrifices nor to only preach to the Jews today .

 

[kyredneck]

replacement theology?

...if this is not being replaced then I don't know the meaning of the word:

40 When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner; This was from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And he that falleth on this stone shall be broken to pieces: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will scatter him as dust.
45 And when the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. Mt 21

11 And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven:
12 but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast forth into the outer darkness: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. Mt 8

28 There shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and yourselves cast forth without.
29 And they shall come from the east and west, and from the north and south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Lu 13

19 Thou wilt say then, Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Ro 11

 

[Martin Marprelate]

but all the commands are not to us . We don't follow the command to build an Ark or offer sacrifices nor to only preach to the Jews today .

But the message, the preaching of the ark is for us, and we are to understand the significance of the sacrifices and how they apply to us today. And we are to follow the example of the Lord Jesus in taking the Gospel to all people, to those in the Decapolis and to those in Samaria.

 

[kyredneck]

Jews and Gentiles still distinct!

You're spouting, using no scripture, showing your willful ignorance (you've been told these things many times before yet you persist in revering physical Jews because of their DNA).

15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. Gal 6

14 For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,
15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace; Eph 2

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Jn 10

And the Spirit bade me go with them, making no distinction...Acts 11:12

and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Acts 15:9

even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; Ro 3:22

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him: Ro 9:12

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him: Ro 10:12

where there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, bondman, freeman; but Christ is all, and in all. Col 3:11

There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28

For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Cor 12:13

 

[kyredneck]

Gentiles who are saved are still Gentiles

Paul wrote to the Corinthians:

2 Ye know that when ye were Gentiles ye were led away unto those dumb idols, howsoever ye might led. 1 Cor 12

If the saints at Corinth were no longer Gentiles (non-Jews), they were ________ .

A. Inuit
B. Martians
C. Jews

 

[Martin Marprelate]

replacement theology?

Not replacement theology, but inclusion theology.

 

[Barry Johnson]

But the message, the preaching of the ark is for us, and we are to understand the significance of the sacrifices and how they apply to us today. And we are to follow the example of the Lord Jesus in taking the Gospel to all people, to those in the Decapolis and to those in Samaria.

The command is " build an Ark " ok why are you not building an Ark ???