Is Salvation Accepting Jesus Into My Heart?

[Brightfame52]

Based on scripture as compared to those to which you hold which are not.

What you talking about is based on the doctrines of men.

 

[Silverhair]

You're probably right about that.

The famous painting that is supposed to be related to this verse is a Pure Graven Image. I had to finally put a couple of otherwise seemingly sane BBers on 'ignore', because they Would Not come off of this business of

A). assuming this could in any way be applicable to a lost soul,

B.) that there is a 'heart' somehow associated with this passage,

C.) that a lost soul has 'a handle to the door of their heart' on the inside of it that they must open and that Jesus can not, etc., etc.

So. What was my big hyper issue I had with them to put them on ignore?

No Spiritual discernment.

No common Bible sense.

Playing into the hands of the devil

Being a sucker.

When someone holds the entirely false heretical depiction made by a painting to form their doctrine above the Word of God, no matter how strongly that is tried to simply show them, me and them are out.

I agree that those that hold to a false gospel should actually trust what the bible says.

A person actually trusting in God so that the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in them is biblical.

Act_8:37 If you believe with all your heart

Rom_10:13-14 whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved

Eph 1:13 In Him...after you heard...the gospel...having believed, you were sealed


And the reason we can say this is because

Rom 1:16 the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes


We see this illustrated when Christ was speaking to the Church of Laodicea. Notice that Christ will come in to anyone that responds to Him.

Rev_3:20 If anyone hears My voice and opens the door


We see this in various texts.

Eph_3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith

Col_1:27 which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Rom_8:10 if Christ is in you

So it would seems that you need to reevaluate your theological position. But I doubt that you will.

 

[Silverhair]

I notice, you have no scripture to show us and thus refute the statement by @Brightfame52 that the term "ask Jesus into your heart" is a man-made phrase.

No scripture equals no argument. You lose the debate and @Brightfame52 wins the debate. It's settled. Thanks for playing.

Oh you of little faith. Did you not read post # 85

But the bible does imply that idea:
Rom_10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Gal 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

1Co_3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Rom_8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.

When we believe in and confess Christ Jesus then the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us. So we do ask Christ into our heart.

But I do agree that if one can not provide any scripture to support their view it logically means their view is suspect. But did you notice that @Brightfame52 did not provide any scripture as support so your right he looses to use your words. Thanks for playing.

 

[Silverhair]

What you talking about is based on the doctrines of men.

You keep saying this but scripture says you are wrong. But I have noticed that scripture shows you to be wrong over and over.

 

[taisto]

Oh you of little faith. Did you not read post # 85

But the bible does imply that idea:
Rom_10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Gal 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

1Co_3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Rom_8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.

When we believe in and confess Christ Jesus then the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us. So we do ask Christ into our heart.

But I do agree that if one can not provide any scripture to support their view it logically means their view is suspect. But did you notice that @Brightfame52 did not provide any scripture as support so your right he looses to use your words. Thanks for playing.

So, it's an implication and men created a term for the implication. It is therefore a man-made term.

I know you think man is the ruler and God his humble servant so I understand what you are attempting. I can find atheists who quote scripture and say it implies something.

 

[37818]

@taisto,

Is Salvation Accepting Jesus Into My Heart?

 

[taisto]

@taisto,

Is Salvation Accepting Jesus Into My Heart?

"God hath sent forth the Spirit..."

That is the start of a verse you quoted.

So, is God unable to make a dead person alive until the dead person asks him first?

 

[37818]

So, is God unable to make a dead person alive until the dead person asks him first?

It did not say that.
In Hebrews 4:12, it is God's word that is alive and gives life.
". . . For the word of God is quick, and powerful, . . ." In Romans 1:16 states, ". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . ." It is the hearing of God's word which which precedes faith, Romans 10:17, ". . . So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. . . ." There is no regeneration without hearing God's life giving word.

 

[Brightfame52]

You keep saying this but scripture says you are wrong. But I have noticed that scripture shows you to be wrong over and over.

The things you saying arent scripture, but the faulty reasoning of men.

 

[Brightfame52]

Oh you of little faith. Did you not read post # 85

But the bible does imply that idea:
Rom_10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Gal 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

1Co_3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Rom_8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.

When we believe in and confess Christ Jesus then the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us. So we do ask Christ into our heart.

But I do agree that if one can not provide any scripture to support their view it logically means their view is suspect. But did you notice that @Brightfame52 did not provide any scripture as support so your right he looses to use your words. Thanks for playing.

No it doesnt even imply it, you are teaching the doctrines of men.

 

[Brightfame52]

It did not say that.
In Hebrews 4:12, it is God's word that is alive and gives life.
". . . For the word of God is quick, and powerful, . . ." In Romans 1:16 states, ". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . ." It is the hearing of God's word which which precedes faith, Romans 10:17, ". . . So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. . . ." There is no regeneration without hearing God's life giving word.

Regeneration precedes hearing spiritually, for Jesus said one must be of God, as in Born of God, to hear [spiritually] His Word Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

And one is not of God until they are regenerated by the Spirit

So you can forget about Faith before you are regenerated.

 

[Silverhair]

The things you saying arent scripture, but the faulty reasoning of men.

You keep saying the same thing over and over like a broken record. Are you denying that those verses are in scripture.

Those that hold to a false gospel should actually trust what the bible says.

A person actually trusting in God so that the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in them is biblical.

Act_8:37 If you believe with all your heart

Rom_10:13-14 whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved

Eph 1:13 In Him...after you heard...the gospel...having believed, you were sealed


And the reason we can say this is because

Rom 1:16 the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes


We see this illustrated when Christ was speaking to the Church of Laodicea. Notice that Christ will come in to anyone that responds to Him.

Rev_3:20 If anyone hears My voice and opens the door


We see this in various texts.

Eph_3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith

Col_1:27 which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

All you ever do is deny scripture but then it comes down to your personal opinion so you are trusting in yourself rather than the word of God.

Rom_8:10 if Christ is in you

So it would seems that you need to reevaluate your theological position. But I doubt that you will.

 

[Silverhair]

So, it's an implication and men created a term for the implication. It is therefore a man-made term.

I know you think man is the ruler and God his humble servant so I understand what you are attempting. I can find atheists who quote scripture and say it implies something.

Well since God expects man make real choices and you do not, I will stick with what God says. As for a man made theology you should look in a mirror to see who follows it.

 

[Silverhair]

No it doesnt even imply it, you are teaching the doctrines of men.

BF it is quite clear that you have blinded yourself to the truth of scripture when you deny what is clearly found in scripture.

 

[Brightfame52]

You keep saying the same thing over and over like a broken record. Are you denying that those verses are in scripture.

Those that hold to a false gospel should actually trust what the bible says.

A person actually trusting in God so that the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in them is biblical.

Act_8:37 If you believe with all your heart

Rom_10:13-14 whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved

Eph 1:13 In Him...after you heard...the gospel...having believed, you were sealed


And the reason we can say this is because

Rom 1:16 the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes


We see this illustrated when Christ was speaking to the Church of Laodicea. Notice that Christ will come in to anyone that responds to Him.

Rev_3:20 If anyone hears My voice and opens the door


We see this in various texts.

Eph_3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith

Col_1:27 which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

All you ever do is deny scripture but then it comes down to your personal opinion so you are trusting in yourself rather than the word of God.

Rom_8:10 if Christ is in you

So it would seems that you need to reevaluate your theological position. But I doubt that you will.

Of courseI keep saying it since you keep saying it or implying it.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF it is quite clear that you have blinded yourself to the truth of scripture when you deny what is clearly found in scripture.

Friend you have been deceived.

 

[taisto]

It did not say that.
In Hebrews 4:12, it is God's word that is alive and gives life.
". . . For the word of God is quick, and powerful, . . ." In Romans 1:16 states, ". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . ." It is the hearing of God's word which which precedes faith, Romans 10:17, ". . . So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. . . ." There is no regeneration without hearing God's life giving word.

Hebrews 4:12 is about God's word acting like a cyber knife scalpel, cutting away the sin that so easily entangles us (Hebrews 12). It is for those who believe.

Could Lazerus have gotten up and walked out of the tomb without Jesus first saying "Lazerus come forth!"? No, he couldn't have. Neither can we hear the gospel and believe without God calling to us and saying "@37818 come forth. Come to life."

 

[37818]

Regeneration precedes hearing spiritually, for Jesus said one must be of God, as in Born of God, to hear [spiritually] His Word Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

And one is not of God until they are regenerated by the Spirit

So you can forget about Faith before you are regenerated.

John 10:26-28, ". . . But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. . . ." God solely regenerates His sheep.

 

[37818]

Hebrews 4:12 is about God's word acting like a cyber knife scalpel, cutting away the sin that so easily entangles us (Hebrews 12). It is for those who believe.

Could Lazerus have gotten up and walked out of the tomb without Jesus first saying "Lazerus come forth!"? No, he couldn't have. Neither can we hear the gospel and believe without God calling to us and saying "@37818 come forth. Come to life."

God's word precedes regeneration and faith. God solely regenerates His sheep. 1 John 5:9-13.

 

[taisto]

John 10:26-28, ". . . But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. . . ." God solely regenerates His sheep.

God's word precedes regeneration and faith. God solely regenerates His sheep. 1 John 5:9-13.

I hope you realize I agree with these verses. They speak to God calling our name before we are brought from death to life.