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Is satan the God of this world?

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HisWitness

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Iconoclast said:
HW,

I believe in The Lord Jesus Christ and worship God alone, through Jesus alone, By a God given faith.

Jesus is the one and only mediator between God and man ;
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

I am thankful that DHK has challenged you and some of the wording in your post.I have gone against DHK on several areas of teaching and some differences that we have, But we are brothers in Christ.He knows that I would cover his back , and he likewise will not allow someone to bear false witness towards me.

There is clearly symbolic language used in the bible.The symbols have a literal meaning.......for example...ten heads can speak of 10 literal nations under Satans control, or a four headed beast could speak of a worldwide system.... that is a separate issue.

let's keep it simple- in scripture we have some key places and some key persons .....
1]the trinity

2]Elect Angels

3] fallen angels

4] Satan

5] Man

6] Animals

7]Sun, moon, and stars

Satan was in heaven
was in the garden of Eden
was seen afflicting Job
was seen trying to tempt Christ on earth
spoken of as the god of this age who blinds the mind of unbelievers
was defeated at the cross and headed for an eternity in hell.

Many have posted good verses for you . These verses have always been understood and believed in the church over time.

Do you think that somehow all of us have all been wrong, and that God has singled you out as unique to reveal something to you that has been concealed to the whole church world?

If so....why would that be?

Or do you think it is possible that you have looked up what the words mean by definition...and now are misusing this in terms of the actual beings scripture speaks of?

Have you noticed that there are many persons on BB and yet no one has any ideas similar to what you are offering ?
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we can disagree about this friend,it will all be revealed soon :)
 
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Iconoclast

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HisWitness said:
we can disagree about this friend,it will all be revealed soon :)
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Hw,
Well we can disagree,however why not take some time and look at what these men have offered to you? it would be better to discuss this and come to truth.

Why do you insist that it is an either or situation,instead of a both and?

The names mean what they do.However there is a fallen angelic being specifically identified by Jesus.....as Satan.

it will all be revealed soon
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HW.....The FAITH has already been revealed by God...once for all time.That is what we are saying to you. You seem to desire to remain outside of THE FAITH on this issue.

In America you are free to believe what you want .In God's kingdom we are to be bound by the word of God written.Half truth and half poison turns to poison. Take time to re-examine the verses which are crystal clear.:wavey:
There is much we disagree about here on BB......Satan is not one of those topics
 
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HisWitness

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Iconoclast said:
Hw,
Well we can disagree,however why not take some time and look at what these men have offered to you? it would be better to discuss this and come to truth.

Why do you insist that it is an either or situation,instead of a both and?

The names mean what they do.However there is a fallen angelic being specifically identified by Jesus.....as Satan.



HW.....The FAITH has already been revealed by God...once for all time.That is what we are saying to you. You seem to desire to remain outside of THE FAITH on this issue.

In America you are free to believe what you want .In God's kingdom we are to be bound by the word of God written.Half truth and half poison turns to poison. Take time to re-examine the verses which are crystal clear.:wavey:
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i know fully well what has been offered friend--i use to hold those beliefs before for years and years :) but when God shines light on a subject,,the person can no longer hold on to that anylonger--now before everyone gangs up on this comment--just because God hasnt showed some people,doesnt mean he has not showed others--we all are ignorant in certain areas and doctrines--may God shine his light upon all of us :)

i have spent 8-10 hours some times 3-4 days in a row each day looking all through the bible and studing the subject--it would do for some of you to take that same advice without being so hard shelled and maybe you will see also :)
 
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Iconoclast

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HisWitness said:
i know fully well what has been offered friend--i use to hold those beliefs before for years and years :) but when God shines light on a subject,,the person can no longer hold on to that anylonger--now before everyone gangs up on this comment--just because God hasnt showed some people,doesnt mean he has not showed others--we all are ignorant in certain areas and doctrines--may God shine his light upon all of us :)

i have spent 8-10 hours some times 3-4 days in a row each day looking all through the bible and studing the subject--it would do for some of you to take that same advice without being so hard shelled and maybe you will see also :)
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HW,

My original questions to you stand.
Does the church you attend teach this?

Does your Pastor believe this?

Do you know any pastor or writer who believes this?

Has God only shown or revealed this idea to you?
 
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HisWitness

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Iconoclast said:
WHO....?

If it is God's truth there should be many who also believe it,correct?

So can you reveal some of those who also believe this as I am unaware of any who hold this as truth:wavey:
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well actually not so--Jesus and his disciples were a small group--and even his true disciples had false traditions about how and what The Christ was gonna do :)
 
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DHK

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HisWitness said:
im not the only one who has left that traditional teaching there are more :)
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Don't make statements you can't back up.
First, those who have left "traditional teachings" we call apostates.
They have left the faith.
They no longer "contend for the faith once delivered to the saints," as Jude says.

If that is what you mean then say so and don't beat around the bush.
If there are others that believe like you do speak forth the truth and say who they are, at least by example. People who believe as you do, name them. Identify those who believe as you do. Identify churches that believe as you do.
Or are you just a troll that has come here to stir up trouble?
 
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HisWitness

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DHK said:
Don't make statements you can't back up.
First, those who have left "traditional teachings" we call apostates.
They have left the faith.
They no longer "contend for the faith once delivered to the saints," as Jude says.

If that is what you mean then say so and don't beat around the bush.
If there are others that believe like you do speak forth the truth and say who they are, at least by example. People who believe as you do, name them. Identify those who believe as you do. Identify churches that believe as you do.
Or are you just a troll that has come here to stir up trouble?
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so the true disciples were apostates according to your view--they believed the false tradition of Christ setting up his kingdom while he was alive on earth.

But they eventually understood the TRUTH and left that false tradition :)

enough said :)
 
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DHK

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HisWitness said:
so the true disciples were apostates according to your view--they believed the false tradition of Christ setting up his kingdom while he was alive on earth.

But they eventually understood the TRUTH and left that false tradition :)

enough said :)
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No it isn't enough said. I asked you some straight forward questions. Do you have the decency as an honest person to answer them. Or are we going to go round and round the merry-go-round for the next five pages like we did the last time before you are able to come up with a coherent answer?
 
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HisWitness

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DHK said:
No it isn't enough said. I asked you some straight forward questions. Do you have the decency as an honest person to answer them. Or are we going to go round and round the merry-go-round for the next five pages like we did the last time before you are able to come up with a coherent answer?
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your answer was answered in the above post but you neglect to see it :)
 
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DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
HisWitness said:
your answer was answered in the above post but you neglect to see it :)
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I don't play games. I'll post it again for clarity sake.
Don't make statements you can't back up.
First, those who have left "traditional teachings" we call apostates.
They have left the faith.
They no longer "contend for the faith once delivered to the saints," as Jude says.

If that is what you mean then say so and don't beat around the bush.
If there are others that believe like you do speak forth the truth and say who they are, at least by example. People who believe as you do, name them. Identify those who believe as you do. Identify churches that believe as you do.
Or are you just a troll that has come here to stir up trouble?
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Are you able to answer the questions in this post?
I think you are. Please do so.
 
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MB

Well-Known Member
saturneptune said:
The bottom line is that Satan is not a god of anything. There is only one God.
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I don't think the point is that Satan is a God. Of course he isn't a god though never the less he is worshiped by his followers and their worship means he is treated like one and thus called a god because of it.
MB
 
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Winman

Active Member
HisWitness said:
your answer was answered in the above post but you neglect to see it :)
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I don't care about this thread, I don't care who is right, or who is wrong.

I only care about one thing...

QUIT PUTTING THAT STUPID SMILEY FACE AFTER EACH LINE YOU WRITE!
 
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DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
saturneptune said:
The bottom line is that Satan is not a god of anything. There is only one God.
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2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

There is only one "true" God.
But go with what the Bible says. Satan is the "god" of this world.
You can't argue with Scripture.
 
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convicted1

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1 Cor 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Satan is the god which sinners serve. But he isn't God, and He is God of this earth.
 
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