SavedByGrace
Well-Known Member
Hi Brother,
I would rather point out only a few points among many of your arguments:
1) Ignatius letter to Magnesian is mistranslated by Lightfoot who was an Anglican.
My translation is this:
Εί ούν οί έν παλαιοîς πράγμασιν άναστραφέντες είς καινότητα έλπίδος ήλθον,
μηκέτι σαββατίζοντες, άλλά κατά κυριακήν ζώντες, έν ή καί ή ζωή ήμών
άνέτειλεν δι’ αύτού καί τού θανάτου αύτού, <öν> τινες άρνούνται,
δι’ ού μυστηρίου έλάβομεν τò πιστεύειν, καί διά τούτο ύπομένομεν,
ïνα εύρεθώμεν μαθηταί 'Iησού Χριστού τού μόνου διδασκάλου ήμών
(Eliyahu)
Therefore if those who had walked in the old practices came into the new
hope, they should no longer rest in the idleness, but should live according
to the Lord’s (life), in which even our life arose thru him and his death -
which some deny- thru that mysterious we received the faith, and thru
it we endure, so that we may be discovered Disciples of
Jesus Christ who is our only teacher.
What Ignatius meant was that the people should not idle away the time or not be in the careless complacency.
Isaiah 32:
9 Rise up, ye women that are at ease; hear my voice, ye careless daughters; give ear unto my speech.
11 Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones: strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins.
Amos 6:1
Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came!
So, Ignatius didn't abolish the practice of gathering on Sabbath but Lightfoot made a CREATIVE Translation based on the notion that the Law was abolished.
2) As for Pentecost,
It is the 49 days from the Day of First Fruits and 50 days from the High Sabbath.
High Sabbath can be any day of the week. Therefore the Day of the Firstfruits can be any day of the week. Therefore Pentecost could be any day of the week.
Jesus was resurrected after the Sabbaths, the Plural Sabbaths.
Read Mt 28:1
Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ εἰς μίαν σαββάτων ἦλθεν Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ καὶ ἡ ἄλλη Μαριὰ θεωρῆσαι τὸν τάφον
Do you see < σαββάτων> ? Not <σαββατον>?
So, there were < High Sabbath and the Regular Sabbath> , then the first night of the week, then he was resurrected after passing 3 nights and 3 days as He said in Mt 12:40.
You must keep in mind God created the world from the Night first, then the Day came after.
Jesus was resurrected on the Day of Firstfruits because DOF couldn't be right after the High Sabbath but after the Regular Sabbath.
I believe it was in April 32AD, more precisely April 13, 32AD after 173,880 days from the decree of ArtaXerxes in his 20th reign year.
So, the actual Pentecost in the year 32AD could have been Sunday, 51st day from the Sabbath Hagadol. But it doesn't mean that Pentecost should always be Sundays, which was the calculation by the Sadducees.
3) 8 Days after is often mentioned by the people opposing to Sabbath.
8 Days after what? 8 days after Resurrection means Monday. 8 Days after the High Sabbath can mean Sabbath Saturday.
Such attempts are like drawing the face of a human being in the process of evolution by a jaw bone.
4) 1 Cor 16:2 mentions the Donation on the first day of the week.
Read the Greek κατὰ μίαν σαββάτων ἕκαστος ὑμῶν παρ᾽ ἑαυτῷ τιθέτω θησαυρίζων ὅ τι ἂν εὐοδῶται ἵνα μὴ ὅταν ἔλθω τότε λογίαι γίνωνται
So, Para Eautwo means Save the money at each one's home. That doesn't mean the gather on Sundays.
Darby correctly translated it:
2 On [the] first of [the] week let each of you put by at home, laying up [in] whatever [degree] he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come.
In order to put the money at home, one should stay at home, right?
5) As for Acts 20:7
It happened on the Evening of Saturday.
Sunday Evening is the second day of the week.
It was the Hapdalla meeting in the evening of Saturday.
If you go to Israel and attend a Messianic Assembly, you may be invited by them for Hapdalla which is a home gathering for the dinner, for the assembly.
In the morning they gather for the worship service on the Sabbath.
There was no change of the Day of Worship, Day of regular gathering, from Sabbath to Sunday.
6) As for Justin Martyr, I believe he never read Hebrew Bible. He could be wrong though he was a real martyr.
As I said, Sabbath gathering was never shifted to Sunday gathering inside the Bible.
It was done only by Roman Catholic, the Enemy of God.
Eliyahu
Your arguments are biased as it is what you believe and NOT what the facts actually says. In the first place to say that J B Lightfoot mistranslated because he was Anglican, is utter rubbish!
The editon by Kirsopp Lake reads:
"If then they who walked in ancient customs Life with came to a new hope, no longer living for the Sabbath, but for the Lord’s Day, on which also our life sprang up through him and his death"
The editon by Bart D Ehrman reads:
"And so those who lived according to the old ways came to a new hope, no longer keeping the Sabbath but living acccording to the Lord's day, on which also our life arose through him and his death—which some deny."
The editon by William R Schoedel reads:
"lf, then, those who lived in old ways came to newness of hope, no longer keeping Sabbath, but living in accordance with the Lord's day, on which also our life arose through him and his death (which some deny)"
The editon by Michael W Holmes reads:
"If, then, those who had lived according to ancient practices came to the newness of hope, nο longer keeping the sabbath but living inaccordance with the Lord's day, οn which our life also arose through him and his death (which some deny)"
The editon by B J Kidd reads:
"If therefore those who lived in ancient observances attained unto newness of hope, no longer keeping the Sabbath, but living a life ruled by the Lord s day, whereon our life too had its rising through Him and His death"
The actual evidence of Ignatius is 100% against you, as ALL of these translations rightly render what the Greek says, and NOT your spin on the words! There are the other Church Fathers, as well as the Bible passages that I have given, that show, in the Early Church, 1st century, Christians moved the Day from Saturday to Sunday, which Is The Lord's Day as Jesus Christ ROSE on This Day!