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Is the sin of father Adam imputed or does man just *inherit* the sin nature?
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Good point Scott, I have been questioned on this belief, by many of the Roman Catholics on this site. God Bless, WPOriginally posted by Scott Bushey:
This is not a RIGHTEOUS NATURE, we are truly righteous......God now see's us through His son and the righteousness of Christ is imparted.
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Originally posted by Helen:
OK, Chris -- yes, many times I have typed the name of my son with that 't' on the end of it and had to go back and correct it. I always feel guilty, do you?
But in Matthew 12 and Luke 12, when Jesus speaks about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, he makes a distinction between that and speaking a word against Christ. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable, but speaking against Christ is forgivable. Your interpretation of what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is does not hold up.Originally posted by Helen:
At any rate, the sin of rejecting Christ is the one sin that cannot be forgiven. It is the sin against the Holy Spirit who is the Spirit of truth, and Christ is the truth. Since forgiveness is through Christ, and through Him only, then if you reject Him you have also rejected the very forgiveness you need.
Because so many reject Christ.Originally posted by Scott Bushey:
Helen writes:
Actually, it doesn't really matter, since Christ paid for ALL sin on the cross. All sin is atoned for.
Scott inquires (again):
Why is not everyone going to Heaven then?
Hardly. And quit being snide.Possibly, Heaven will be empty?
I'm not disagreeing with that! We wouldn't have needed our sins to be forgiven if we weren't all sinners!Rom 5:18 says that it is more than a nature:
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners , so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Adam's sin was Adam's sin. My sins are mine. I have quite enough of my own, thank you, and I might add that double wages are never paid for one thing. Adam earned death. I also have. But he did not earn it FOR me, despite the fact that his actions passed a sin nature onto me. Each man's sins are his own. Adam started the whole thing (actually, Eve did...), thus causing sin nature to be present in every human being that has ever lived, but his sins were his own, not mine. And everyone seems to say "Adam's sin" as though he only sinned once in his entire life! I am not aware of any evidence for that. If he sinned even one more time, then why are his sinS not claimed to be passed down to us?Helen,
the above follows with the fact that in the same way Adam's sin has been passed down (imputed),
I was given a new nature when I was born again. This one no longer tends toward evil, but rather tends toward good. It is God's gift to me. But it is not a righteous nature; it is only a nature that wants to be. All my righteousness is in Jesus Christ and Him only.so will the *obedience* of Christ pass down (Imputed)righteousness to His people. I ask you, are we made fully righteous to the father or is it only a *RIGHTEOUS NATURE*? The above scripture contrasts the two truths in the same context.
And I personally declare to you under no uncertain terms that any good I do is not me, but Christ working in me and that all righteousness is His. As I am transformed, bit by bit, into His image, then His righteousness may also be reflected in me, but that is all it is -- a reflection.1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Exactly. And, first of all, what Abraham believed was that he would be the ancestor of the Messiah, as Paul explains, and this was because of something to do with the stars in the sky. Secondly, the righteousness was exactly the same for him as me, only I know the name of the Promise and Abraham knew, at that time, only the promise. This is why Hebrews 11:39-40 tells us Abraham and the OT faithful were not made complete until together with us. It is not that we are so special, but rather that we have the knowledge of the history of what happened which they could not have at the time. We know of the fulfillment of that glorious Promise.Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
You are the one who called it a righteous nature. I simply have a nature that wants to be!This is not a RIGHTEOUS NATURE, we are truly righteous......God now see's us through His son and the righteousness of Christ is imparted.
That's the effect. The desire was for all.Also Helen, Why did Christ say Himself that had come to save:
"Many" (not all), "His people" (from their sin).
Yes. As a matter of fact, there were a number of Egyptians who left with the Israelites.*In the early days of Israel, was Gods gift of grace available to "all" people? I.e. Egypt?
Yes. But he, like so many, rejected the truth, thus earning the enmity of God Himself.Was Esau ever a candidate?
I don't know where you get that idea! I have stated in posts and exchanges with you in the past few days that I know all are saved by Christ and only by Christ. So this accusation, or semi-accusation has now become a straw man. Please discard it.Also:
What about before the cross? Your implication implies that men today are saved in some different fashion than in OT times? Hebrews ch 11 differs w/ your idea.
I'm afraid I don't understand, Helen.Originally posted by Helen:
the sin of rejecting Christ is the one sin that cannot be forgiven.