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Is the Codex Sinaiticus FAKE?

Dr. Bob

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Prior to John's writings there were 22 books. What known bok written between those 22 and what John was going to write was known to be rejected for what ever reason?

Paul's letter to the Laodicea church? Any others?

Not sure of "rejected" or just "not inspired" so not included. I do not believe a single Word inspired by God is lost, but do believe the Apostles wrote many things that were not inspired so are not in the canon.

First letter to Corinth. We have the second and third (labeled I & II since the first letter is missing).

BTW, I personally think that the letter to Laodicea was a cyclical letter that was to ALL the Greek churches in SW Asia Minor. Oldest manuscripts of Ephesians literally have a "blank" in the name, so that copies could be made for Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, Heliopolis, Miletus, Troas (Troy), Assos, et al. While Paul's letters often have specific people or events mentioned tying him to that specific city, the Epistle to the __________ (Ephesians) has none.
 

37818

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Happily. That's how we learn together. II Thes 2:2 (written c. AD51)
". . . That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. . . ."
 

37818

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Paul's letters often have specific people or events m entioned tying him to that specific city, the Epistle to the __________ (Ephesians) has none.
Textual critic Wilbur N. Pickering translation note, "I take it that Paul is claiming to be Christ’s apostle to them, so he is writing with specific apostolic authority. Less than 1% of the Greek manuscripts, of objectively inferior quality, omit ‘at Ephesus’ [such is the basis for the nasty footnotes in NIV, NASB, LB, etc.]."
 

37818

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The underlying issue is on what corroborating evidence is one accepting a said document or report. On what basis are we accepting the witness or witnesses we see, read or hear?
 
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JesusFan

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I agree completely. However, it was several centuries later before Christians divided out the God-breathed writings from the many other writings of the time. It appears that this was done through consensus rather than thru some "Choose A, B or C" type of test. Quoting from the book "From the Mind of God to the Mind of Man" (1999), the chapter on Canonization and Apocrypha:

From ppg 31-32,
In general, the process of collecting the books of the Old Testament involved four steps over a period of about twelve hundred years.
1. God directed men to write, spanning about a millennium.
2. Throughout that time, Israel recognized the divine origin of writings inspired by God.
3. Those scrolls so recognized were left with the priests for safekeeping.
4. Ultimately, the present thirty-nine books of the Old Testament were accepted as Scripture. (Jewish Bibles number differently. For example, the twelve minor prophets are collected as one book.)

The collection of the books of the New Testament involved three basic steps over a period of about three centuries.
1. The books of the New Testament were all written by God's direction during a period lasting thirty to fifty years.
2. The early churches circulated, copied, translated, and taught those books they recognized as divinely inspired and, therefore, authoritative.
3. Eventually, church councils officially recognized the list of the present twenty-seven books that had long been regarded as Scripture.

From page 59,
The benchmark for canonicity was the book's content. Does it teach that which is consistent with the rest of Scripture without contradiction? Is it appropriate and helpful for public reading and instruction? Does it speak with the dynamic power of the Word of God?
From the very beginning of the Church age, the Christians held to the Jewish canon already recognized at time of Christ as being inspired books, and started to circulate around the NT books by end of first century, so early on had already agreed that majority of what would be the "official" NT canon was agreed upon, only disputed books were James, due to some see Him and paul disagreeing, revelation and Hebrews and 2 peter, as not sure who author was!
 

JesusFan

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The underlying issue is on what corroborating evidence is one accepting a said document or report. On what basis are we accepting the witness or witnesses we see, read or hear?
A big test was if there was a recognized Apostle as author, or if the author was associated with an Apostle, such as mark with peter, and Luke with paul!
 

37818

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A big test was if there was a recognized Apostle as author, or if the author was associated with an Apostle, such as mark with peter, and Luke with paul!
As of since the book of Revelation I am of the view those 27 books where and so are settled.
 

JesusFan

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As of since the book of Revelation I am of the view those 27 books where and so are settled.
The canon of the inspired 66 books were settles way before any official church council "a[proved" of them. as Rome did NOT give to us the Bible!
 

OnlyaSinner

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The early Christians pretty much agreed on which writings were inspired. By the 3rd/4th century, there were many non-inspired writings going around that folks like Athanasia firmly stated (my wording, of course), "These 66 and no others,", merely expounding what was generally believed. Since then, though there's been some sniping at Esther, James, Hebrews and others, the canon has well settled.
 
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