Is the Doctrine of Original Sin Biblical?

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Genesis 2:17 - Genesis 3:22.
Romans 5:12, Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: . . .

 

[percho]

Not sure which certain place you are referring to but I’m pretty sure it’s not in context. Any that I know of are not talking about original sin.
Tell me if I’m wrong but give me the reference.

Well as JonC said, "What do we mean by the term, original sin'?

Was Adam created of nature because of sin, thus death? Have all been born of woman other than Jesus of Nazareth, been born of nature of sin and death?

Otherwise how can it be stated, all are concluded under sin?

Consider also, even Jesus who knew no sin was made to be sin and thus poured out his soul unto death.

Why? Why was Adam created in the manner he was created?

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Romans 5:14 Why was Adam created as the figure of him to come, Jesus relative to death because of sin?

Was it because of the devil having sinned from the beginning, yet sin and death had yet to be introduced into the foundation of the world?

What is man?

In the final analysis was Adam put in the garden where, the great dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan resided, to the detriment of the man or to the detriment of the devil?

When God made Adam what was the plan of God being put forth and how was it going to be carried out?

 

[kyredneck]

Fortunately, by the grace of God, every person is able to be drawn to God through the Gospel.

...or a 30-minute invitation while singing 'Just As I Am' or 'Softly And Tenderly Jesus Is Calling' over and over and over....'

 

[Reynolds]

But these verses would disagree with your view.

2Ch 30:18... But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, "May the good LORD provide atonement for everyone
2Ch 30:19 who prepares his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he is not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary."

Job_5:8 "But as for me, I would seek God, And to God I would commit my cause;

Job 8:5 If you would earnestly seek God And make your supplication to the Almighty,

Psa_14:2 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.

Psa_53:2 God looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.

Psa_69:32 The humble shall see this and be glad; And you who seek God, your hearts shall live.

Man can seek God but they do not always seek God. Even the best Christian, since we all sin, does not always seek after God. And even the worst sinner can seek God.

As we are told in
Isa 55:6 Seek the LORD while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near.
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the LORD, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.

The words in Romans 3:11have been miss used to support a theological view.

Actually every scripture you listed supports my view.

 

[Reynolds]

No, Romans 3:11 completely agrees with Luke 13:24! Your doctrine is the one that actually disagrees with scripture.

The two perfectly agree. The gate is narrow and only the elect have the ability to effectively seek entrance.
All men can seek in a meaningless manner. Muslims seek and find a false god. Hindus seek and find a false god. Agnostics seek and find a false god.
Only the elect can seek in a manner that leads to God.

 

[Reynolds]

The bottom line is, unless one repents and believes the Gospel, they will remain dead in their sins. As Paul tells us in Romans, you are either in Adam or you are in Christ and I think all of us can agree on that.

Some like to speculate how you get from point A to point B. As per the Catholic doctrine, I see no passages in scripture that says baptism washes away original sin. As per the Calvinist doctrine, I see no passages that tell us that a person is unable to respond to the Gospel message as a default condition from birth due to original sin.

The non elect can't get from A to B at all.

• John 6:44,65 - “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.” And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

 

[Ben1445]

God has revealed Himself to all indeed thru natural/general revelation, thru the creation itself, but that can ONLY led a sinner to believe that God exists, but to get saved, needs the specific revealtion of the Bible, and that is where spiritual blindness prohibits them coming to Christ as their savior and Lord "on their own efforts"

Show me where the Bible says that. What I read says they have no excuse. If I have no culpability I don’t need an excuse. I would be innocent.

 

[Ben1445]

The non elect can't get from A to B at all.

• John 6:44,65 - “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.” And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

Jesus said “‘And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.’ -- This he said, signifying what death he should die.”
So Jesus said if he dies on the cross (is lifted up) then He will draw all men to Himself. Just like the serpent in the wilderness. And the only thing anyone has to do is look and live, seek the Lord.
Is. 55
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found,
call ye upon him while he is near:
Let the wicked forsake his way,
and the unrighteous man his thoughts:
and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him;
and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

God asked Cain, if thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?
So from your perspective, was God mocking Cain or lying to him?

 

[Reynolds]

Jesus said “‘And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.’ -- This he said, signifying what death he should die.”
So Jesus said if he dies on the cross (is lifted up) then He will draw all men to Himself. Just like the serpent in the wilderness. And the only thing anyone has to do is look and live, seek the Lord.
Is. 55
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found,
call ye upon him while he is near:
Let the wicked forsake his way,
and the unrighteous man his thoughts:
and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him;
and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

God asked Cain, if thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?
So from your perspective, was God mocking Cain or lying to him?

"All men" does not mean every individual man. It means mankind as a whole. People from all nations.

God was merely telling Cain that his unacceptable sacrifice was not accepted because of his disobedience.

 

[Silverhair]

...or a 30-minute invitation while singing 'Just As I Am' or 'Softly And Tenderly Jesus Is Calling' over and over and over....'

If that happens to be the means that God uses to draw people to Himself. Who are you to question the way God would accomplish His plan of salvation.

 

[Silverhair]

Actually every scripture you listed supports my view.

Not really unless you have changed your view.

 

[Silverhair]

The two perfectly agree. The gate is narrow and only the elect have the ability to effectively seek entrance.
All men can seek in a meaningless manner. Muslims seek and find a false god. Hindus seek and find a false god. Agnostics seek and find a false god.
Only the elect can seek in a manner that leads to God.

Well since none are "elect" until they are in Christ then by your view none are saved as none can seek.

 

[JesusFan]

Jesus said “‘And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.’ -- This he said, signifying what death he should die.”
So Jesus said if he dies on the cross (is lifted up) then He will draw all men to Himself. Just like the serpent in the wilderness. And the only thing anyone has to do is look and live, seek the Lord.
Is. 55
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found,
call ye upon him while he is near:
Let the wicked forsake his way,
and the unrighteous man his thoughts:
and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him;
and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

God asked Cain, if thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?
So from your perspective, was God mocking Cain or lying to him?

He will draw to Himself all that the Father has granted to Him, all whom he died for in their stead, and all whom the Holy Spirit will reveal to them Jesus as Lord, His own sheep

 

[Ben1445]

Well as JonC said, "What do we mean by the term, original sin'?

Was Adam created of nature because of sin, thus death? Have all been born of woman other than Jesus of Nazareth, been born of nature of sin and death?

Otherwise how can it be stated, all are concluded under sin?

Consider also, even Jesus who knew no sin was made to be sin and thus poured out his soul unto death.

Why? Why was Adam created in the manner he was created?

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Romans 5:14 Why was Adam created as the figure of him to come, Jesus relative to death because of sin?

Was it because of the devil having sinned from the beginning, yet sin and death had yet to be introduced into the foundation of the world?

What is man?

In the final analysis was Adam put in the garden where, the great dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan resided, to the detriment of the man or to the detriment of the devil?

When God made Adam what was the plan of God being put forth and how was it going to be carried out?

To be clear, you made as if to quote “what is man?” I still don’t see the context for your quote.
As far as your final analysis, I think it’s imposing extra biblical interpretation to say that satanic resided in the garden when God planted the garden and gave the responsibility of it to mankind.
Just because satan is there does not mean that it is his residence.
God made the world for His pleasure and clearly in Scripture takes no pleasure in the wicked.

 

[JesusFan]

Well since none are "elect" until they are in Christ then by your view none are saved as none can seek.

They have already been chosen from eternity past by the Father, and Jesus paid for each one of their individual sin debts

 

[Ben1445]

"All men" does not mean every individual man. It means mankind as a whole. People from all nations.

God was merely telling Cain that his unacceptable sacrifice was not accepted because of his disobedience.

Funny how you have to explain that the words don’t mean what they say.
They actually do mean what they say.
Unless you believe that all means just some of all nations.
Then only some of all nations have sinned and not really every individual has sinned.

You don’t get to change the definitions based on what you want to believe.

 

[Ben1445]

He will draw to Himself all that the Father has granted to Him, all whom he died for in their stead, and all whom the Holy Spirit will reveal to them Jesus as Lord, His own sheep

And by the same logic all who have sinned. Just

 

[Ben1445]

And by the same logic all who have sinned. Just

Just not every individual. Just representation from every nation or people group or something like that.

Sorry for the disconnect. I bumped post button.

 

[JesusFan]

Just not every individual. Just representation from every nation or people group or something like that.

Sorry for the disconnect. I bumped post button.

As Bible stated a great multitude out of tongues and tribes and peoples, but not all, just some

 

[Silverhair]

The non elect can't get from A to B at all.

• John 6:44,65 - “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.” And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

You just need to expand your view a bit then you would not make such obvious errors.

John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

This verse {John 6:44} does not say anywhere that all who are drawn must come! Instead it is saying that all who come must have been drawn!
Just because you can come does not mean you will come.
But many miss the qualifier in the next verse.
John 6:45
... THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT BY GOD.'

John 6:64 "But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.
John 6:65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."

John 6:65 tells us that not all will be allowed/permitted to come to God. John 6:64 tells why. They did not believe but the question is what did they not believe? We need to look back to John 6:53-63 for the answer.
What is the thing that stops people coming to Christ? UNBELIEF