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CalTech

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Does anyone who even somewhat calls themself a Bible believer really believe that The God of the Bible cannot get Creation right from the absolute very beginning?


Greetings,

I believe that the Lord created the Earth and everything within the First time as stated Gen 1:1 & 2, for HE said it was All Good, and that there was NEVER another creation prior. Because "if" He had done so, He would have had it written!
So I do believe God had gotten right the first and only Time!

AMEN!

The Lord bless you....
In His Love....
 

Deacon

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Does anyone who even somewhat calls themself a Bible believer really believe that The God of the Bible cannot get Creation right from the absolute very beginning?
That is the philosophy of theistic evolutionists.
The example they give is creation is like God winding a clock and everything unwinds as time goes on. There is no need for him to step in and fix problems.
‘Everything was designed perfectly, right from the absolute very beginning’

Rob
 

JonC

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Which one? The 'gap' between Gen 1:1 & 1:2 or the gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel? There's some on this site that will cry heresy over one while swallowing the other hook, line, and sinker.
Cry "Heresy!" And let slip the dogs of war. :Biggrin
 

Alcott

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Jesus said, "And whoever shall say 'you fool' shall be in danger of "the fiery hell" [Matthew 5:22].

So is it "adding to scripture" to say Jesus and Paul are in danger of the fiery hell [Matthew 23:17, 1 Corinthians15:36]?


Greetings,

I do not understand how your statement is referring to the said OP.....
Could or would you elaborate on this.....it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you....
Lord bless you.....
In His Love....

While it doesn't apply to the gap theory, which, in spite of the title, is not mentioned in the OP, it does apply to strict literalism, a closely related subtopic-- "if scripture doesn't say it, it's not true." Scripture does mention that anyone saying "you fool!" is in danger of fiery hell, and it does not mention exceptions, even for Jesus and Paul who both said it. So, are either of them in fiery hell, or are some things/ideas/additions/exceptions true that scripture does not mention?
 

CalTech

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Jesus said, "And whoever shall say 'you fool' shall be in danger of "the fiery hell" [Matthew 5:22].

So is it "adding to scripture" to say Jesus and Paul are in danger of the fiery hell [Matthew 23:17, 1 Corinthians15:36]?




While it doesn't apply to the gap theory, which, in spite of the title, is not mentioned in the OP, it does apply to strict literalism, a closely related subtopic-- "if scripture doesn't say it, it's not true." Scripture does mention that anyone saying "you fool!" is in danger of fiery hell, and it does not mention exceptions, even for Jesus and Paul who both said it. So, are either of them in fiery hell, or are some things/ideas/additions/exceptions true that scripture does not mention?

Greetings,

Thank you for responding......
However I disagree with your view.
The "Gap Theory" is a false belief system, not based upon solid Bible teaching.

The Lord bless you....
In His Love....
 

Alcott

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Greetings,

Thank you for responding......
However I disagree with your view.
The "Gap Theory" is a false belief system, not based upon solid Bible teaching.

The Lord bless you....
In His Love....

Alright then, are Paul and/or Jesus in hell for saying "you fool"?
 

CalTech

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Jesus said, "And whoever shall say 'you fool' shall be in danger of "the fiery hell" [Matthew 5:22].

So is it "adding to scripture" to say Jesus and Paul are in danger of the fiery hell [Matthew 23:17, 1 Corinthians15:36]?




While it doesn't apply to the gap theory, which, in spite of the title, is not mentioned in the OP, it does apply to strict literalism, a closely related subtopic-- "if scripture doesn't say it, it's not true." Scripture does mention that anyone saying "you fool!" is in danger of fiery hell, and it does not mention exceptions, even for Jesus and Paul who both said it. So, are either of them in fiery hell, or are some things/ideas/additions/exceptions true that scripture does not mention?

Greetings,
Thank you for responding.

As for the Lord using the word "fool" he mentioned init in Matt 5:22 as a warning not to use it. Then in Luke 12:20 the Lord utilized the word in which God called a certain man, who trusted in his wealth, a fool, because God can speak to such a person if He so desires, because He is God.

However, Paul's usage of the word "fool" was not done in the spirit of anger towards a particular believer. At no time was he using the word "fool" in the Manner that the Lord said NOT to use it. Just read the context of the scriptures where Paul mention's the word fool, and you will see, he did not go against the Lord's warning.


Mat_5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Luk_12:20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
1Co_3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co_15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
2Co_11:16 I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.
2Co_11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
2Co_12:6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
2Co_12:11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

So using that as justification in supporting the false "Gap Theory" is rather......nonsensical to say the least.
The "Gap Theory" is just that, a Kabbalah occult mysticism fable, to distort the Word Of God, for the sole purpose to deceive His Children, and in a subtle manner call God a liar, and bring doubt upon the truthfulness of God's Word as written.

The Lord bless you.....
In His Love....
 

Alcott

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Greetings,
Thank you for responding.

As for the Lord using the word "fool" he mentioned init in Matt 5:22 as a warning not to use it. Then in Luke 12:20 the Lord utilized the word in which God called a certain man, who trusted in his wealth, a fool, because God can speak to such a person if He so desires, because He is God.

However, Paul's usage of the word "fool" was not done in the spirit of anger towards a particular believer. At no time was he using the word "fool" in the Manner that the Lord said NOT to use it. Just read the context of the scriptures where Paul mention's the word fool, and you will see, he did not go against the Lord's warning...

That won't do with me. What did Jesus say about saying "you fool;" no exceptions, additions, or context?
 

CalTech

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That won't do with me. What did Jesus say about saying "you fool;" no exceptions, additions, or context?


Greetings,

That is just going to have to do, because your statement has nothing to do with the question, does it now?
I will not be baited into a guile filled debate with you. I think you need to read your Bible and see what is the "fruit of the Spirit". I do not and will not respond to religious bullies......Got that!

Lord bless you.....
 

Alcott

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Greetings,

That is just going to have to do, because your statement has nothing to do with the question, does it now?
I will not be baited into a guile filled debate with you. I think you need to read your Bible and see what is the "fruit of the Spirit". I do not and will not respond to religious bullies......Got that!

No, I ain't got it. And you already have been debating. And I told you how what I posted applies to the "question" here. And if you still think it doesn't apply, then your rant about how Paul used the term, "you fool," applies less so. If we disagree, we disagree. Got it?
 
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