Is the gospel necessary for salvation?

[37818]

I am not sure but is Austin now calling himself a prophet? That seems to be the case he is making for all those that think they were elect/chosen before the foundation of the world.

The choosing by God before the foundation of the world is not the election.

 

[Alan Gross]

Oh you may believe them once they are read through your calvinst glasses but the question is does that match what the bible actually says? That is why not just me but a number of people on this and other boards disagree with the calvinist take on scripture.

the question is does that match what the bible actually says?

I am only interested in the first few verses of Ephesians 2:

and the places where the Word, "dead", is used.

What is your definition of, "dead", in these verses?

1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,

5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses.
It is by grace you have been saved!


the question is does that match what the bible actually says?

Ephesians 2:

1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,

2 in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world
and of the ruler of the power of the air,
the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience.

3 All of us also lived among them at one time,
fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts.
Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.

4 But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,..

5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses.
It is by grace you have been saved!


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The following passage includes the verse, "
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood,
the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
Ephesians 1:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing
in the heavenly realms.

4 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world
to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love

5 He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ,
according to the good pleasure of His will,

6 to the praise of His glorious grace,
which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood,
the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

8 that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.

9 And He has made known to us the mystery of His will
according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ

10 as a plan for the fullness of time,
to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ.

11 In Him we were also chosen as God’s own,
having been predestined according to the plan of Him
who works out everything by the counsel of His will,

12 in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ,
would be for the praise of His glory.

13 And in Him, having heard
and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—
you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

14 who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory.

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Ephesians 2:

.8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith,
and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God,

9 not by works,
so that no one can boast.

10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus
to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life."

 

[Alan Gross]

Perhaps you need to revise your view. Isaiah 45:21 ...there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me. Isaiah 45:22 "Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.

Notice what is not said there, believe the gospel. One may say the words but God look at the heart.

Jeremiah 17:9
King James Version

9 The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately wicked: who can know it?

 

[John of Japan]

John I am not debating you But rather just making comment. You have stated over and over what your view is and I have done the same. Please see Post # 119

Yeah, it's pretty obvious you are not debating me. Otherwise you would actually address my points rather than pontificating. But look up at the top. It says, "Baptist Debate Forums."

 

[Squire Robertsson]

On that note, this thread is closed.