Michelle,
You made the statement that a translation from the Textus Receptus may be okay if translated properly.
Which of today's Textus Receptus compilations do they need to use?
My point here is that there is more than one and it would not be right to create one by translating the KJV backwards. This would in-essence be the same as the game "telephone".
It is very obvious that the KJV translators not only used a "few" TR manuscripts, but they obviously borrowed heavily from older Bibles, including the Bishop's, The Great Bible and even the Vulgate... would you consider the Vulgate a good translation?
Also, remember the Vulgate was around much longer than the KJV. Does this mean the Vulgate is more accurate?
The point I am trying to make is that your point of view is no different than being around in 1611 and realizing that the KJV is an MV at that time and all of a sudden realizing that the Word of God is coming out in a new version that has not been around before. I could look at the Vulgate and say, "Oh, its been around for a thousand years, then it must be right."
The KJV that you are refering to has only been around since about 1769 at the last major modification.
You keep talking about the "Words" that are left out, but you wouldn't post in the other forum about which words have been left out that make any doctrinal difference.
How many times do people have to state that the quotation from Psalms 12 and "them" refers to "people"; read several verses in context:
Psalms12.3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.
1 ¶ <<To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.>> How long wilt thou forget me, O LORD? for ever? how long wilt thou hide thy face from me?
2 How long shall I take counsel in my soul, having sorrow in my heart daily? how long shall mine enemy be exalted over me?
Okay, let me try something that has not been tried and may cause the scholars to cringe, but maybe help you see something.
God's Words are silver, purified seven times. Let us take a very "literal" look at this. Silver is purified seven times by melting and scrapping the dross off of the top of the molten silver. Theoretically, each time you melt the silver and scrape the dross off, you obtain a purer level of silver. There is a point of diminishing returns. There is no such thing in this world as 100% pure silver. There is silver that is very close to being pure, but never is it possible for 100% purity, there will always be "trace elements".
You actually have "pure silter" the slight trace elements do not keep you from saying that it is pure silver, the element even acts like silver from a chemical point of view because the remaing traces have no effect on it. This is the same way with the Word of God. If slight changes are made in the individual Words, they can be likened to these "trace elements" that have absolutely no effect on the "Word of God".
Now, look at what I said, "Trace elements". Remember, you keep talking about all of the words left out. Remember, also that I have stated that these words mean nothing to the "message of God" or in reality: "The Words of God." THey do not take away, nor do they add. We would like to get rid of any added words and obtain any deleted words. Maybe, just maybe these trace elements can represent these few words that have no doctrinal effect to God's Words.
Now, I know this is a long stretch, but Michelle, you have yet to explain adequately what my Bible was during the time the Vulgate was popular. You also have not provided me with a name or location where I myself, personally, Phillip, can go and obtain a copy of the Greek Textus Receptus which I know is 100% pure an unadulterated. Maybe that is my key question. Where do I obtain this TR that is 100% perfect with no flaws. I want one so I can study it. Can you tell me where I can obtain it "specifically" and even provide a book ISBN number where I can find a copy of it?
Even the Old Testament, as well documented as it is, contains a word here and a word there that scholars are unsure of. Where do I find a copy of this "word for word" perfect Old Testament in Hebrew?
Just curious.
[ April 20, 2004, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]
