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Is the KJV God?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by tinytim, Jan 18, 2007.

  1. Rufus_1611

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    I second that.
     
  2. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Thats because what Balckbord said was Bible truth, not heresy.
     
  3. Trotter

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    Wrong is wrong, period.

    If a man stands in the pulpit and preaches something that is not true, is not biblical... it should be called what it is. "Heresy" has been tossed out as a thought, and that thought is right on the money.

    God is God. He is without form, without limits. He is existence itself. All that is was created by Him. God has revealed Himself to us in three ways... as the Father (God Almighty), as the Son (God in the flesh who dwelt among us), and as the Holy Spirit (the Comforter that has come to indwell His own).

    John used the term Logos. It was used by secular writers of his day to denote all wisdom, knowledge. John used it as a sort of play on words, to show that Jesus Christ IS all wisdom and knowledge, and that the wisdom and knowledge of men was naught against Him. So, it seems funny to me how a word of Greek that was translated as "Word" (as in "word of wisdom", Jesus Christ) has now been twisted and shoved into a completely different "word" (as in the "word of God", the bible).

    Is this idolatry? In its most hideous, yet subtle form. It is something that sounds good to those who elevate the KJV above that which it is... an English translation of the bible, one of many. To try and equate a single work of fallible men with the sheer holiness of God Himself... I wouldn't have had that much audacity when I was still a lost pagan, much less now that I am a child of the very One who is being besmeared by the very thought.
     
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    Agreed.

    A.F.
     
  5. Raindrop

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    There are a lot of people who act like a certain translation is a god to them, but I was surprised at an out right statement ascribing deity to one.
     
  6. robycop3

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    Well...you quote Scripture from the 1769 KJV insteada the 1611 AV. Unless the "1611" in yer handle stands for something else, need I say more?
     
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    That's one of the possible results of a person's dwelling upon a FALSE DOCTRINE too long.

    And if he's THAT WRONG,& THAT IRRATIONAL about something as basic as WHOM GOD IS, then it doesn't matter whether he's right about anything else or not. Far as I'm concerned, he's relegated to the world of the goofy.
     
  8. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I'm not a mod in this forum, but we should be careful about comments like this. This borders on a personal attack on the poster's integrity.

    The KJV family started in 1611, that alone could justify the use of the year in a person's screen name.
     
  9. Deacon

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    I came across something while reading this morning that may ...or may not... pertain to this topic, but I feels it's worth inserting here for interest sake.

    Is the Bible God? Absolutely not! but through it, God's character is expressed.

    Rob
     
  10. Keith M

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    There are those who view one version as head-and-shoulders above the rest. But the majority of folks who follow the KJVO school of thought do not place the KJV or any other Bible version in the place of God, or as a god. Let's give most of our KJVO brothers and sisters credit where credit is due. They are entitled to have their own beliefs just as we non-KJVOs are entitled to have our own beliefs. Even some like Will Kinney (sp?) who were banned from the board I don't feel would go so far as to say the KJV is God. True, the Bible in its various legitimate English translations does reveal the character and will of God. But placing the Bible on an equal level with God, or saying the Bible is God, truly is heretical.
     
  11. Lagardo

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    Its been stated before and is worth saying again, that this issue is not about KJVO or any version arguments, but rather the statements quoted in the OP on this board that the KJV is God. And in giving credit, one of the posters has said that he is only thinking on the issue.

    I've never heard a KJVO brother say this before I say the quote in the OP. Thankfully, it seems to be a rare opinion, but it needs to be addressed for the heresey it is.
     
  12. James_Newman

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    Isn't it possible that this is what the much maligned Pastor Anderson meant when he said what he said? Every time we partake of the Lord's supper, we explain how the bread and wine (thats juice) are not literally the body and blood of the Lord, and we understand that the Catholic transubstantiation is error. And then we go and read the bible, which says:
    Mat 26:26-28
    26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
    27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    I don't think Pastor Anderson really believes that the book in his hand is God. I think some people like to make a man an offender for a word.
     
  13. tinytim

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    Go to the thread that he made this statement....(it is now closed but can be read) and it is very clear, he believes the Bible is God...

    But unfortunately he will not engage us in debate here now. I wish he would... and if he is reading, please Mr. Sanderson, come defend what you said... If I misrepresented what you meant, please just say so....
    I will apologize over and over.

    And as for Rufus, my respect for him is back... as he has said that he is searching for the truth concerning this.
    That is the attitude we should all have.
    He has even asked in the tech section how to change his screen name to get rid of the 1611...
    I personally don't think that is necessary, (see C4Ks post above) ....but that shows that he cares.
     
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    Well, anything is possible. I wish, as tinytim says, that he would come back here and explain what he meant, if we are interpreting him incorrectly.

    I can only base my evaluation of what he meant on his track record. I have read several of his essays and listened briefly to a couple of sermons. He is quite the literalist. He doesn't speak in metaphors or analogies. He speaks quite literally. And when he says that he believes that the bible is God, then I can only take him to mean that he believes that the KJ bible that he holds in his hand is God.

    Again, if anyone is interpreting him incorrectly, I wish he would clarify that for us.
     
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    Here is a clear invitation for the person who made the statement to explain what he meant and to say whether or not he thinks he was misrepresented.
     
  16. donnA

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    he never does
     
  17. Rufus_1611

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    It doesn't border on it...it is what it is. Thank you for your comments though.
     
  18. TomMann

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    I'm going to agree with you tinytim...... This is a new low.... That you would pull a quote out of an unnoticed post.... closed post even.... A quote that was perhaps spoken in zealous (some might say over zealous) support of the KJV.....

    And reopen it here with the intent of creating strife and the "to be anticipated bashing" that has insued...

    Whatever happened to......

    2 Tim 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
    25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
    KJV

    or rather in a way you might better understand.....

    2 Tim 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,
    NIV
     
  19. tinytim

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    Read my OP in context...
    I would have happily left Sanderson's quote where it was, But another poster, Rufus, presented the same idea recently....

    I am concerned that this "doctrine" could catch fire.
    That is why I am bringing it to the forefront.

    This is a dangerous doctrine. And I want to warn others that this line of thinking does in fact exist.

    And by doing so, we now have Rufus re-examing the way he believes.
    Turning a brother in Christ from a horrible doctrine is worth the thread here. We are to edify each other, and when one of us is heading down a path of destruction which leads us away from God, then we have a responsibility to say something.

    To say any Bible IS God, is idolatry, it is worshiping the creation, and not the Creator.

    Sanderson may have changed his mind, but we don't know unless he says so...
    Rufus is considering his statement...

    This thread is a warning, preventive medicine, to any that want to make their Bible something to worship...
    God is the only one we should worship.

    Maybe you misinterpreted my intentions, and that's OK, it happens all the time on these boards...

    I just want to make it clear that Orthodox Christianity does not think the Bible, (any version) is God...

    And we have seen that here, by the majority of Christians here stating it is not...

    What sayeth thee?
    Is the Bible God?
    Add your voice to the chorus of believers that know God.
    (BTW, is that a Jack Russell in your avatar? I have one named "Angel" and she is something else!)
     
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  20. Rufus_1611

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    No, he did not.

    In spite of your actions, not as a result of them.

    Recommend you devote more attention to plastic idols and less to those who apply greater reverence to the Word, then you believe it deserves. I'll take Pastor Anderson's version of "idolatry" over yours every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
     
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