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Is the KJVO Movement Dying?

Is the KJVO movement dying out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 50.0%

  • No

    Votes: 4 18.2%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 3 13.6%

  • I don't care!

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Total voters
    22
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John of Japan

John of Japan

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One thing a movement absolutely must have is leadership, and I believe we are seeing the old leadership die off, with no coherent young leadership to take over.

First of all, Peter Ruckman kicked the bucket in 2016, and I'm not aware that a leader of similar abilities has taken over that ministry. The Bible Baptist Bookstore website still has the information about Ruckman's funeral (https://store.kjv1611.org/about-dr-ruckman/), so that page at least has not been updated in 8 years. My impression is that they are just running in place. Under "New Items" they have little more than a bunch of sermons for high prices. Say what you want about Ruckman, he was well educated and a strong personality. (Please note that I completely oppose his double inspiration doctrine, his name calling, etc..)

D. A. Waite, founder of the Dean Burgon Society, has had a bunch of defections in recent years, but still holds on to leadership. That website also has not been updated recently. They have no advertisements for their annual meeting in 2024, and the link for the 2023 meeting doesn't seem to work. Did it take place? On their "Blog" page (Dean Burgon Society) they still have the nasty response by H. D. Williams to my Amazon review of his book, but that whole brouhaha was many years ago, and H. D. Williams has not been with the DBS in years! Dr. Waite is in his 90's. Who will take over that ministry?

Old guys who left the DBS started the King James Bible Research Council (Home), but like I say, they are mostly old guys (like me!). What is the future of that organization? Has a capable leader showed up among them?

Let's not even talk about old Gail Riplinger and her weirdness. She's not really a leader. And the Waites damaged her reputation when they found out she was on her third hubby after being divorced twice!

So, is the KJVO movement going to die out eventually?
 
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Baptist4life

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I am not, nor have I ever been, a KJVO person. But I am an old soul who has used the King James version my entire life. However in recent years I have started using the New King James version and the ESV because that is the version that my church is using at this time. I still love the King James version because I've memorized so many Scriptures from that version, and hearing them read from a different translation just doesn't seem the same. Do I still like my King James version? Oh, absolutely, but I also see the benefit of a newer translation for young Christians. So I guess I'm saying for those who like and use the King James version, let them use it, and leave them in peace. For those who like to use a different translation, I say the same thing, let them use another version if they want, and leave them in peace also. As far as the King James version only issue, I've never really thought it was that big a deal to begin with. People post on here about it splitting churches and causing division, I've seen more splitting of churches, and division from Calvinism, and other such issues than the King James version only issue. My .02.
 
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Baptist4life said:
I am not, nor have I ever been, a KJVO person. But I am an old soul who has used the King James version my entire life. However in recent years I have started using the New King James version and the ESV because that is the version that my church is using at this time. I still love the King James version because I've memorized so many Scriptures from that version, and hearing them read from a different translation just doesn't seem the same. Do I still like my King James version? Oh, absolutely, but I also see the benefit of a newer translation for young Christians. So I guess I'm saying for those who like and use the King James version, let them use it, and leave them in peace. For those who like to use a different translation, I say the same thing, let them use another version if they want, and leave them in peace also. As far as the King James version only issue, I've never really thought it was that big a deal to begin with. People post on here about it splitting churches and causing division, I've seen more splitting of churches, and division from Calvinism, and other such issues than the King James version only issue. My .02.
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Good post! Not too long ago I had an elderly man ask me (as a prof) what to tell a young pastor, graduate of an IFB college, who said he was changing to the NKJV. My only answer was that in our culture such a change might limit his influence. So I think a lot of young folk are rethinking the position.
 
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tyndale1946

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I've been KJV all my life and I don't see any change in the future... I have ten KJV's available and though I'm 78, they are probably in better condition, than I'm in... As long as I'm around, I don't see the church group, I grew up in changing... Those who don't know what the KJV is, I understand your misunderstanding and my wife reads and studies every version under the sun and since I go with my wife to hers, and hear different version there, I always recheck it with my KJV... I always read between the lines... I'm not a member of the KJVO, so I could care less but true to my nature I will continue to quote the KJV, and that's not going to change... Brother Glen:)
 
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KJVonlyists of the worst sort, make no distinction between hell in Matthew 10:28 and in Luke 16:23.
 
John of Japan

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Here is the page for further information about D. A. Waite's death: https://www.biblefortoday.org/. Interestingly enough, that is the front page for his "Bible for Today" organization. The information there is actually the same as on the funeral home eulogy. There are no links open on the Bible for Today front page. But then Dr. Waite went to Heaven very recently, so they are in mourning.

It says, "He was the founder of THE DEAN BURGON SOCIETY, INCORPORATED and served as its President from its founding until c. two years ago." The Dean Burgon Society may be dead. All I can find of their website is a blogspot at: Dean Burgon Society. Almost none of the links there work. It may be that Waite's son is working to get things under his leadership. We'll see.
 
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37818

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John of Japan said:
What point are you making re the OP?
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The KJV uses the term "hell" to refer to three different places. And KJVonlyists refuse to acknowledge this.
The Defined KJB* is a case in point. There are no footnotes for the term "hell."
* Bible For Today 3000M.

This type of evil has no good excuse.
 
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John of Japan

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37818 said:
The KJV uses the term "hell" to refer to three different places. And KJVonlyists refuse to acknowledge this.
The Defined KJB* is a case in point. There are no footnotes for the term "hell."
* Bible For Today 3000M.

This type of evil has no good excuse.
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Not really about the OP, but whatever.
 
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37818

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John of Japan said:
Care to share your reasons?
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It is has become an emotional issue rather than a Biblical truths issue, which this it is being claimed to be. In the minds of the KJVonlyists it is believed to be the purely a Biblical truths issue.
I became a pro KJV advocate in 1968. But I never became a KJVonlyist. I used the NKJV for a while. And went back to the KJV for my personal use.

The problem is on both sides of the issue. I was a member of Faith Baptist Church of Canoga Park from 1970 to 1978. It was not yet KJVonlyist. But today it is.
 
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JD731

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John of Japan said:
One thing a movement absolutely must have is leadership, and I believe we are seeing the old leadership die off, with no coherent young leadership to take over.

First of all, Peter Ruckman kicked the bucket in 2016, and I'm not aware that a leader of similar abilities has taken over that ministry. The Bible Baptist Bookstore website still has the information about Ruckman's funeral (https://store.kjv1611.org/about-dr-ruckman/), so that page at least has not been updated in 8 years. My impression is that they are just running in place. Under "New Items" they have little more than a bunch of sermons for high prices. Say what you want about Ruckman, he was well educated and a strong personality. (Please note that I completely oppose his double inspiration doctrine, his name calling, etc..)

D. A. Waite, founder of the Dean Burgon Society, has had a bunch of defections in recent years, but still holds on to leadership. That website also has not been updated recently. They have no advertisements for their annual meeting in 2024, and the link for the 2023 meeting doesn't seem to work. Did it take place? On their "Blog" page (Dean Burgon Society) they still have the nasty response by H. D. Williams to my Amazon review of his book, but that whole brouhaha was many years ago, and H. D. Williams has not been with the DBS in years! Dr. Waite is in his 90's. Who will take over that ministry?

Old guys who left the DBS started the King James Bible Research Council (Home), but like I say, they are mostly old guys (like me!). What is the future of that organization? Has a capable leader showed up among them?

Let's not even talk about old Gail Riplinger and her weirdness. She's not really a leader. And the Waites damaged her reputation when they found out she was on her third hubby after being divorced twice!

So, is the KJVO movement going to die out eventually?
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My vote is "yes." The movement is dying out. If it were not I would not have nearly as much confidence in my KJV Bible as I do. In this world all good things die out because of the leaven. I have read the prophesied condition of the church of Jesus Christ just before he returns. Paul addressed the attitudes in the pastoral epistles.

Jesus Christ in his prophetic dealing with one of the characteristics of this present age in Mt 13 was of the slow moving but ever spreading problem of the leaven. Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened, Jesus said. This was the 4th parable of the 7 in the chapter. Coincidentally (?) the 4th church of the 7th in Revelation 2 and 3 allowed Jezebel to teach the Christian faith.

The KJ Bible was produced for the English speakers near the same time the Reformation took place. The KJV brought salvation to the West and the Reformed doctrines were the leaven that has choked out the truths. None of the Reformation doctrines are true even though they use the same vocabulary in their Bibles but the words have different meanings to their converts.

Leaven is a dominating force today and few people are getting saved because there is nothing to believe that is really true. That is the way I see it. The Lord is coming for us soon for the few believers who are left.
 
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