Quoting THEOLOGIANS and "CHURCH HISTORIANS".
Lots of bias fill ins. Would you ask Nazi's what Jews Believe? Its best to get unbiased report of history as it happened rather than speculated.
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Is the Pope as he claims “God on Earth”.
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Quoting THEOLOGIANS and "CHURCH HISTORIANS".
Lots of bias fill ins. Would you ask Nazi's what Jews Believe? Its best to get unbiased report of history as it happened rather than speculated.
Particular
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So don't ask the Vatican. Got it.
Hobie
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All the historians and theologians have got to be wrong
'...Pope is a shortened title for Pontifex Maximus. In Greek it means father. The Pontifex Maximus (meaning king of sacrifices or servant to the triads, as well as the "greatest bridge-maker between the gods and men") was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome. It's a pagan title that was incorporated from the Etruscan-Latin polytheistic culture (700 BC) who lived before the Romans. These early people (just like the Romans) had built great temples to the gods and goddess of the day. They also had a pagan triad. Eventually the Etruscans were conquered by Rome.
The title Pontifex Maximus (Pope) is mentioned numerous times by the early Catholic Church fathers (especially by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Catholic bishop until much later on. The early Catholics said that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom," the evil high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. This post was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office. It's last use with reference to the emperors is in inscriptions of Gratian (reigned 375-383). He was then urged by the Catholic bishops to renounce the cultic Roman title, and instead grant it to their exalted leading bishop over Rome.
Pontifex Maximus is a name that's being used by the Roman Catholic Church clergy today. Though it may be abbreviated into Pope or Papa, yet it's clearly a title incorporated directly from paganism. Interesting to note that the all the pagan pontiffs or popes held that office for life. Exactly like the Catholics Popes. And their cult members met and elected a successor, who after his election became the next Pope or Pontifex Maximus (Dionys. II.22, 73). Just like the election held by the Catholic Church cardinals to choose a new Pope. The Pontifex Maximus was the guardian of the Vestal virgins. The Roman Catholic Church has simply named them Nuns instead. Many historians agree that the idea for the powers of the pope with the College of Cardinals came from the Pagan College of Pontiffs with its Sovereign Pontiff which had no doubt been in Rome from the earliest times, and must have been framed on the order of the original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon. It's also obvious to any historian that while the Catholics have called themselves Christians, they more closely resemble the ancient pagans both in customs and names. Pope Gregory I (601 AD) said in so many words literally, "We must compromise with the pagans in order to further Christianity."...'
http://www.upublish.info/Article/The-Pope--Pontifex-Maximus-/693298
By the time of Emperor Constantine, the Christian religion received imperial sanction and the bishop of Rome became more than just another bishop, and brought in a system of worship from another origin than Christianity.
I was doing some work on the Greeks and how they pick up and passed on to the Romans the ancient Babylonian sun gods and system of worship, when I came across a interesting sermon on this:
'...Pope is a shortened title for Pontifex Maximus. In Greek it means father. The Pontifex Maximus (meaning king of sacrifices or servant to the triads, as well as the "greatest bridge-maker between the gods and men") was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome. It's a pagan title that was incorporated from the Etruscan-Latin polytheistic culture (700 BC) who lived before the Romans. These early people (just like the Romans) had built great temples to the gods and goddess of the day. They also had a pagan triad. Eventually the Etruscans were conquered by Rome.
The title Pontifex Maximus (Pope) is mentioned numerous times by the early Catholic Church fathers (especially by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Catholic bishop until much later on. The early Catholics said that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom," the evil high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. This post was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office. It's last use with reference to the emperors is in inscriptions of Gratian (reigned 375-383). He was then urged by the Catholic bishops to renounce the cultic Roman title, and instead grant it to their exalted leading bishop over Rome.
Pontifex Maximus is a name that's being used by the Roman Catholic Church clergy today. Though it may be abbreviated into Pope or Papa, yet it's clearly a title incorporated directly from paganism. Interesting to note that the all the pagan pontiffs or popes held that office for life. Exactly like the Catholics Popes. And their cult members met and elected a successor, who after his election became the next Pope or Pontifex Maximus (Dionys. II.22, 73). Just like the election held by the Catholic Church cardinals to choose a new Pope. The Pontifex Maximus was the guardian of the Vestal virgins. The Roman Catholic Church has simply named them Nuns instead. Many historians agree that the idea for the powers of the pope with the College of Cardinals came from the Pagan College of Pontiffs with its Sovereign Pontiff which had no doubt been in Rome from the earliest times, and must have been framed on the order of the original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon. It's also obvious to any historian that while the Catholics have called themselves Christians, they more closely resemble the ancient pagans both in customs and names. Pope Gregory I (601 AD) said in so many words literally, "We must compromise with the pagans in order to further Christianity."...'
http://www.upublish.info/Article/The-Pope--Pontifex-Maximus-/693298
By the time of Emperor Constantine, the Christian religion received imperial sanction and the bishop of Rome became more than just another bishop, and brought in a system of worship from another origin than Christianity.
atpollard
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Well, not until the 1600’s when the Particular Baptists built a church in London, anyway.
It doesn't say who hated God.
Learn to read.
Show us one person who HATES GOD and is Saved.
Paul does not hate God.
"God tells us that no one deserves his love,"
Quote him. Quote the Scriptures. This is SATAN's theology and not biblical.
You will never quote God saying all mankind deserves hell because it comes from the DEVILS mouth not Jesus.
It makes you gnash your teeth that God doesn't hate everyone as you do.
You hate the LOVING GOD. You hate that GOD IS LOVE. NAZIS hate too.
"I can only pray for you."
Pray for your hardened heart. You shove GOD and REJECT the holy spirit. Because FEAR is your GOD not LOVE.
Pray for the Courage to step up against YOUR DEVIL who crowns himself by stepping on others.
Here you have brothers and sisters who would die for you even if the whole universe hated you. They don't love you because of some lottery or to proof of might.
Jesus Christ is God, not some pagan who spouts everyone I decide to like will be saved and everyone I decide to hate is damned.
That's fine with me.
Name any living Christian prior to Constantine and after the scriptures.
NONE share your evil theology.
Pope and Papa means Father, Still means father today.
Your post is written in Roman Characters so I guess that makes you a PAGAN, under your logic.
Particular
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Wow, utilyan, your delusion is sad. Such hatred of God while you write. There are times when I can very clearly recognize the spirit of antichrist. I will pray for you.
Well, not until the 1600’s when the Particular Baptists built a church in London, anyway.
You mean there is a sub sect of the Baptist sect called the "Particular Baptists"?
Why would I need the devil to make me bad if I'm already totally depraved? You should be asking God to step in, instead of whinning about something you would ALSO be doing unless God zapped you with a elect mindwipe.
If shoe was on the other foot, I'd have perfect patience since I know its up to God to fix you, not up to you to fix you.
Particular
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Wow, utilyan, your delusion is sad. Such hatred of God while you write. There are times when I can very clearly recognize the spirit of antichrist. I will pray for you.
Yes, but that was when they made it official, Apostate Church!
We do not claim theological infallibility for them though!
He does not see all of us deserving hell, so is messed up in theology!
The need for the masse and all sacraments, as well as purgatory and repudiating Pauline Justification tells one all need to know!
Walpole
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Who claimed you did?
So your popes and bishops wear silly looking hats just so that you can make fun of them? Without some other meaning? Well I agree with the fact that they are silly, or more than silly, as are all their vestments. Did Jesus go around dressed in gold and purple, yellow or scarlet? Or did any of the apostles wear such clowns garments?
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Herodotus said that the Greeks got the names of the God and Mathematics from the Egyptians. Josephus said the Egyptians got their knowledge of Mathematics and Astronomy from Abraham. That sound feasible as Abraham came from UR and it is said that mathematics began in UR.
The first 'Christian' to carry the the Pont Max was Constantine, the first Roman to carry it was Julius Cæsar as head of the state and high priest of the pagan religion.(Cæsar was the first political ruler of Rome who was a priest)
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Walpole
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If you don't like vestments ("clown garments"), you are going to be miserable in heaven...
Rev. 1:13 ---> "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle."
Rev. 4:4 ---> "And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."
A suit and tie is more silly and would be looked at with even more confusion than a heavily ornate tunic which is all priest vestment is.
