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Is the popular song "In Christ Alone" sound in all it's lyrics?

DaveXR650

DaveXR650

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I'm referring specifically to the line:

"Till on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied
For every sin on Him was laid
Here in the death of Christ I live"

Do you think that the wrath of God had to be satisfied on the cross? Was there any wrath at all? Was every sin really laid on Him? Does your church use that song?
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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DaveXR650 said:
I'm referring specifically to the line:

"Till on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied
For every sin on Him was laid
Here in the death of Christ I live"

Do you think that the wrath of God had to be satisfied on the cross?
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Yes.
DaveXR650 said:
Was there any wrath at all? Was every sin really laid on Him? Does your church use that song?
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Every sin of every believer was laid on Him. If that were not so, the believer would have to pay the wages of sin him or her self. My church does not sing that particular song, but it sings hymns which express the same truth. Some examples:

The hymn, "The Son of God, in mighty love" includes this verse:

"Though Lord of all, above, below,
He went to Olivet for me;
He drank my cup of wrath and woe,
And bled in dark Gethsemane."

The hymn, "From whence this fear and unbelief?" has a verse which says:

"If thou hast my discharge procured
And freely in my place endured
The whole of wrath divine,
Payment God cannot twice demand,
First at my bleeding Surety's hand
And then again at mine. "
 
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Martin Marprelate

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That hymn is a firm favourite at my church and is sung quite often. IMO, it is one of the best modern hymns.
I am preaching on Galatians 3:10-14 next week. Coming to vs. 13 we see three things:
1. We were under the law's curse. The curse is the outworking of God's wrath or righteous anger against sin (Genesis 3:16-19).
2. We are no longer under the law's curse.
3. The reason for this change is that on the cross the Lord Jesus became a curse for us.
 
DaveXR650

DaveXR650

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Armchair Apologist said:
kudos to Keith and Kristyn Getty for standing firm refusing to allow words to be changed so it could be included in some liberal congregation's hymnbook.
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I must be living under a rock. I did not realize there had actually been a controversy over their song. But I do now. Thanks.

Song dropped from hymnal sparks atonement debate

The dispute over dropping a beloved Christian song from a new Presbyterian hymnal has widened into a multidenominational tussle, with Baptists joining the fray.
www.ncronline.org www.ncronline.org
 
JonC

JonC

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DaveXR650 said:
I'm referring specifically to the line:

"Till on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied
For every sin on Him was laid
Here in the death of Christ I live"

Do you think that the wrath of God had to be satisfied on the cross? Was there any wrath at all? Was every sin really laid on Him? Does your church use that song?
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It depends on the standard one uses.

Since I hold Christus Victor I would say the lyrics are not biblically sound, but the intention behind them may be (it is an expression of worship based on the understanding of some).

So as a theology, I would have to say it is not necessary sound doctrine.

But as a song, I have no qualms. It is the expression of Keith Getty, reflecting his understanding. He is a Presbyterian.

I guess the safest bet (a way not to have a song constantly criticized) is to sing the psalms. But I do not know that doing do would be a true expression from the singer.


We sing that song. I just do not sing that line.

And then I sing the Christis Victor songs very loud to make my point. :Biggrin (just kidding...I don't sing very loud).
 
JonC

JonC

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Armchair Apologist said:
... to allow words to be changed so it could be included in some liberal congregation's hymnbook.
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I remember when the liberals changed "Fill My Cup" ("fill it till I want no more" to "fill it till it overflows").

I do not like it when people change lyrics. But I guess that is just tradition. It would be like changing the recipe to a favorite childhood dessert. It would seem "off".

I grew up listening to the Gaithers. My favorite newer songs include Way Maker and Revolution Song. And...not sure the title...the "open the eyes of my heart" song.

I tend to gravitate more to praise songs (songs that praise God for Who He is) over experiential hymns about what was accomplished for us, but I like both.
 
A

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JonC said:
I remember when the liberals changed "Fill My Cup" ("fill it till I want no more" to "fill it till it overflows").
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Not sure if there is any deep "Theological Truth" being represented in either statement but I think we are both in agreement here. Some think they are doing us a favor by updating the words such as "My sin o the bliss" to "My sin o the joy" in It is Well With My Soul but this is just preferential I guess. I think the old words sound more poetic and majestic and I guess this is also the reason I continue to use my King James.
JonC said:
I do not like it when people change lyrics. But I guess that is just tradition. It would be like changing the recipe to a favorite childhood dessert. It would seem "off".

I grew up listening to the Gaithers. My favorite newer songs include Way Maker and Revolution Song. And...not sure the title...the "open the eyes of my heart" song.

I tend to gravitate more to praise songs (songs that praise God for Who He is) over experiential hymns about what was accomplished for us, but I like both.
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We mainly do modern "Praise Songs" in my Church (not my preference) but often break out the hymnbooks during our mid-week Bible Study and prayer meeting and almost always hear someone say something to the effect of "Why are we not singing these hymns more often?"

I think you meant "Revelation Song?" I actually met Jennie Riddle at a Christian Songwriter's conference several years back. She told us how many assumed she was on some sort of elevated spiritual plane or something when she wrote it. She told us that in actuality, she was fighting a migrane headache and dealing with two sick kids and a pile of laundry when she wrote it. Loved her honesty!

Keith and Kristyn Getty songs have a theological richness that is sorely lacking from many modern (so-called) "Worship" songs.

OK, rant over!
 
JonC

JonC

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Armchair Apologist said:
Not sure if there is any deep "Theological Truth" being represented in either statement but I think we are both in agreement here. Some think they are doing us a favor by updating the words such as "My sin o the bliss" to "My sin o the joy" in It is Well With My Soul but this is just preferential I guess. I think the old words sound more poetic and majestic and I guess this is also the reason I continue to use my King James.

We mainly do modern "Praise Songs" in my Church (not my preference) but often break out the hymnbooks during our mid-week Bible Study and prayer meeting and almost always hear someone say something to the effect of "Why are we not singing these hymns more often?"

I think you meant "Revelation Song?" I actually met Jennie Riddle at a Christian Songwriter's conference several years back. She told us how many assumed she was on some sort of elevated spiritual plane or something when she wrote it. She told us that in actuality, she was fighting a migrane headache and dealing with two sick kids and a pile of laundry when she wrote it. Loved her honesty!

Keith and Kristyn Getty songs have a theological richness that is sorely lacking from many modern (so-called) "Worship" songs.

OK, rant over!
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That is the song (Revelation Song). I guess that is the benefit of a headache. You need to write a song, do not feel like it, so you just put Scripture to music.

The "Fill My Cup" change does not alter the meaning at all. It was because people coukd misunderstand "want".

I find modern worship songs theologically rich. But the design is praising God rather than being a theological lesson. Most are simply scriptures set to music.

I see a purpose for both.
 
DaveXR650

DaveXR650

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At a church I used to go to I remember they changed the line in Wesley's "And Can It Be" where it says "Emptied Himself of all but love" but I can't remember what it was they replaced it with.
 
A

Armchair Apologist

Member
JonC said:
That is the song (Revelation Song). I guess that is the benefit of a headache. You need to write a song, do not feel like it, so you just put Scripture to music.
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The Beatles "Revolution" song is pretty good too and has been going on in my head since reading your prior post but I don't think it would work too well as a worship song. :Roflmao
 
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