Is the unborn child alive?

[OldRegular]

Our scientists are engaged in a search in our universe for life on other planets. If they could find just a single cell on another planet they would deem it as life. I say the same consideration should be given to a human egg at the moment of fertilization.

So true Judith. I recall scientists saying that the first Mar's Rover which had only a ground level view of the Mar's terrain showed there was evidence of a world wide flood yet they deny that occurred on earth, I believe simply because the Bible teaches it.

 

[OldRegular]

That is incorrect. There are several people who support abortion. Let me give a definition of abortion. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. If a person says they are anti-abortion "except in the case of_________", then they NOT anti-abortion, but in fact they are pro abortion except in the case of.

If the person has an exception rule they are not anti-abortion. That is the game that Mitt Romney played to try and look like he was anti-abortion when he was not as well do many other people. They are making claims to something they are not.
The only true anti-abortionists are those who hold to no abortion for any reason. The rest are pro abortion for any reason or except in the case of. It is time that we be honest with ourselves even if not with others.

I believe you state it well Judith!

 

[church mouse guy]

That is incorrect. There are several people who support abortion. Let me give a definition of abortion. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. If a person says they are anti-abortion "except in the case of_________", then they NOT anti-abortion, but in fact they are pro abortion except in the case of.

If the person has an exception rule they are not anti-abortion. That is the game that Mitt Romney played to try and look like he was anti-abortion when he was not as well do many other people. They are making claims to something they are not.
The only true anti-abortionists are those who hold to no abortion for any reason. The rest are pro abortion for any reason or except in the case of. It is time that we be honest with ourselves even if not with others.

Romney is not a good example for your case because, as you know, he is not a Christian. Nor is Romney a good example of Mormon thinking which is fully represented by Dingy Harry Reid.

Nor do I understand why you say that Christians should not use Scripture. Why should I care if the non-Christian is offended by Scripture?

Finally, I wonder what you call those who believe in abortion in the cases of rape, incest, and the life of the mother (now almost medically non-existent)? You claim the title of anti-abortion for yourself exclusively so you must have a name for those who disagree with you although I shudder to think what it might be since I imagine that it may be quite derogatory.

 

[padredurand]

I mean you no disrespect but this is the kind of thing that causes Christians being mocked and the losing of the battle for truth with the abortion proponents.

Who gives a care if abortion supporters mock God's people? If I am mocked for proclaiming God's truth then so be it. I am blessed Jesus said. God knew me and my days before I was knitted together in the womb. He saw my UNFORMED substance. You, too.

How is that fodder for mockery? How does that lose the battle? Are you ashamed to be fearfully and wonderfully made? Are you ashamed to let God's word speak for itself?

My wife and I have been involved in pro-life activities since she miscarried our second child 30+ years ago. Never once, in thousands of engagements, have I had someone respond to that verse by mocking me or the Word. You, ironically, would be the first. Oy vey!

 

[evenifigoalone]

There are those who identify as pro-choice, but still prefer to think of abortion as a last resort or at least not ideal.
Most people are actually somewhere between pro-life and pro-choice, at least if you think of these terms asking the lines of "abortion is never okay" and "abortion is always okay". I am very pro-life, but there are some very few and unlikely cases in which I would see abortion as an option. (Not for myself, but lawfully speaking.)

 

[FollowTheWay]

Nobody I know of on the board supports abortion, no matter how much their political views are twisted to imply that they do.

That's correct as far as I'm concerned. What about murder of those that have been born? Do you support doing that in the name of furthering America's control over the rest of the world in meaningless wars like Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq? What about capital punishment? Abortion is just a part of the larger Christian principle of the sanctity of life. Are you against the murder of the unborn but in favor of the murder of the born?

 

[evenifigoalone]

I don't support meaningless wars, although war is a necessary evil sometimes.
I find no moral dilemma with capital punishment. I'd rather have a murderer who has no intention of stopping dead and gone so he's not a threat anymore than I would having him in a prison cell for life being fed and clothed with taxpayer's money. But, the reason I'm not in favor of the death penalty is because, for whatever reason, it's been ineffective in the US in recent times and ends up costing the state much more moneythan it should.

 

[OldRegular]

That's correct as far as I'm concerned.

You are incorrect as has been shown.

What about murder of those that have been born?

Obama was in favor of denying medical care to those born alive after a failed attempted abortion.

Do you support doing that in the name of furthering America's control over the rest of the world in meaningless wars like Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq?

Obama bragged he was good at killing people!

What about capital punishment?

Those who commit certain crimes should be put to death such as the cop killer {Mumia Abu-Jamal } in Philadelphia and the abortionist {Kermit Gosnell} recently convicted in Philadelphia!

Abortion is just a part of the larger Christian principle of the sanctity of life. Are you against the murder of the unborn but in favor of the murder of the born?

That is the same stupid argument that Crabby makes!

 

[Revmitchell]

That's correct as far as I'm concerned. What about murder of those that have been born? Do you support doing that in the name of furthering America's control over the rest of the world in meaningless wars like Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq? What about capital punishment? Abortion is just a part of the larger Christian principle of the sanctity of life. Are you against the murder of the unborn but in favor of the murder of the born?

When someone like this distracts from the issue at hand like has been done in this post what does that tell you?

 

[Don]

Sometimes I wonder just how close CTB and FTW are....

 

[Revmitchell]

Sometimes I wonder just how close CTB and FTW are....

Yep.....................

 

[Aaron]

Nobody I know of on the board supports abortion, no matter how much their political views are twisted to imply that they do.

There there's a twisted statement right there.

 

[righteousdude2]

Let's see....

It seems that in the 70's the pro-abortion people ignored medical science. Since that time the advances in science have rendered the claims of the pro-abortionists even more unscientific.

Victor Davis Hanson lists some of these advances in a recent column on unscientific notions of Democrats, who probably are poorly educated:



http://www.nationalreview.com/article/372659/anti-empirical-left-victor-davis-hanson

....I know that each little sperm is alive ... and the egg or ova is a living reproductive cell, and when these two meet up, it is the beginning of a brand new life. So, YES! The fetus is ALIVE!

Or to quote a line from Young Frankenstien, "It's alive!"

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - The egg cell is the female haploid reproductive cell (gamete) in oogamous organisms. The egg cell is typically not capable of active movement, and it is much larger than the motile sperm cells. When egg and sperm fuse, a diploid cell (the zygote) is formed, which gradually grows into a new organism.

I consider the act of one sperm fertilizing one Ova to be the greatest miracle in the human life cycle! It is where everything that God created for man and woman to do when He told them to go and populate the world was all about! He made us to reproduce. And that is the essence of life continuing in his creation! A miracle of awesome standards!

 

[OldRegular]

Guess what some good baptists on this bb would have done! I don't have to guess! They would "Kill this baby"!

Tenn. Woman Chose Life for Dying Newborn, Says 'God Gave Me Strength'

A mother whose child died eight hours after his birth says God gave her the strength to choose life where most women choose abortion. Today, she helps other mothers who are facing the same decision.

"God abundantly blessed us. It's amazing how much strength and grace He has given us, because we couldn't have done it on our own," Heather Walker of Memphis, Tenn., told The Christian Post in an interview on Wednesday.

Walker's blog, "Our Sweet Boy Grayson James," chronicles her personal struggle with anencephaly, the terminal disease with which her son was diagnosed months before his birth.

Most women choose abortion when they learn their child will die shortly after birth, Walker told CP. Anencephaly has "a 95 percent abortion rate." But Walker's faith in God led her to choose life. "I am a Christian and I think that God has a plan for every life – if He creates it, He has a reason for it," she declared.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/t...ing-newborn-says-god-gave-me-strength-116064/

 

[church mouse guy]

There there's a twisted statement right there.

Thank you! We have had at least one person say that the unborn child is not alive and therefore abortion is not murder. Such a view is unscientific, of course. You would think that everyone would know who that person is and what that person says in contradiction of science.

 

[OldRegular]

Thank you! We have had at least one person say that the unborn child is not alive and therefore abortion is not murder. Such a view is unscientific, of course. You would think that everyone would know who that person is and what that person says in contradiction of science.

It has been a recognized medical fact that life begins at conception. The pro-abortion crowd have for years tried to create doubt in peoples mind regarding this truth. What is really sad is that professing Christians have abortions and support this travesty that has resulted in the slaughter of over 56 million unborn children since Roe v Wade. It is my opinion that God will not allow this holocaust to go unpunished.

I am sure there are Christians who have ignorantly had abortions and supported that means of terminating life. However, in recent years there has been sufficient information published to remove any doubt from those who care. I do not understand how anyone who claims to be a Christian can continue to support this slaughter of the unborn child. Frankly I sometimes wonder if these people have really experienced the Grace of God.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Sometimes I wonder just how close CTB and FTW are....

Yep.....................

Even closer than merely "two peas in a pod," perhaps?

 

[Zaac]

New life exists from the moment of conception. If that conception is the result of the union of a human egg and human sperm then that new life is human. That is the simple truth!

Those who advocate the slaughter of the unborn will use any device/excuse/lie in an attempt to salve their conscience; assuming they have one. There are rare exceptions when the abortionist will concede that they are destroying human live no matter what stage in the pregnancy.

If it's growing it's alive.
If it's got to be killed, as rev said, it's alive.

 

[OldRegular]

If it's growing it's alive.
If it's got to be killed, as rev said, it's alive.

And the unborn child grows from a tiny fertilized egg to become like us unless murdered in the womb.