Is There a Need to Impeach Donald Trump Now When the Mueller Investigation is Drawing Closer?

[KenH]

“We already know that Flynn was forced to resign after he was found to have misled Vice-President Pence over meetings with Russian officials. Donald Trump Jr. and President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, were present at at least some of those meetings. If Flynn is cooperating with the Mueller investigation, then it seems likely that he will have useful information on both Kushner and Donald Trump Jr., and that takes Mueller to the very heart of the Trump family.”

https://www.inquisitr.com/4647070/n...r-investigation-drawing-closer-michael-flynn/

I think talk of impeachment is premature. I have considered for a while that the more likely scenario is that a deal will eventually be reached where Trump resigns in order to keep family members out of prison.

 

[Revmitchell]

There will be no impeachment and there will be no resignation.

 

[InTheLight]

I'm not seeing a valid reason for impeachment. Most of this alleged stuff happened when he wasn't President.

What would it be that Trump did that was "bribery" and/or "high crimes and misdemeanors"?

 

[carpro]

There are no grounds for impeachment.

 

[Adonia]

There is no evidence of any wrongdoing by President Trump to warrant impeachment. Plus, the process needs to start in the House of Representatives and as of right now the Repubs are in charge.

If anyone should have been impeached it was Obama with his flagrant violations of the U. S. Constitution. Now those actions by him definitely fitted the "High Crime" standard for impeachment.

 

[agedman]

Flynn lied, so he was forced to resign.

Yet, the impeachment folks are supposed to trust a proven liar?

OF COURSE, they believe both Clintons!

 

[Baptist Believer]

Flynn lied, so he was forced to resign.

That's quite an understatement. You also have a President-elect who ignored numerous warnings and hired him, but we might be able to chalk that up to his arrogance and incompetence.

Yet, the impeachment folks are supposed to trust a proven liar?

The value of Flynn assisting the investigation is not so much that we are going to "take his word" on things, but he can provide guidance on verifiable elements of the investigation, or point investigators to evidence they may be overlooking.

For instance, if a suspected murderer suddenly agrees to cooperate and lead investigators to where he buried the body, we are not simply trusting his word on things - he is simply pointing the investigators to evidence that they have not been able to find on their own. The fact that the suspected murder suspect led investigators to the body does not mean the body does not exist.

OF COURSE, they believe both Clintons!

Only if evidence warrants it, but of course, this is probably not a serious statement - just an opportunity to throw the Clinton name into a discussion of wrongdoing by the present administration.

 

[agedman]

That's quite an understatement. You also have a President-elect who ignored numerous warnings and hired him, but we might be able to chalk that up to his arrogance and incompetence.

Of course, but remember Trump is a business man, he isn't a politician in the historical sense.

The value of Flynn assisting the investigation is not so much that we are going to "take his word" on things, but he can provide guidance on verifiable elements of the investigation, or point investigators to evidence they may be overlooking.

For instance, if a suspected murderer suddenly agrees to cooperate and lead investigators to where he buried the body, we are not simply trusting his word on things - he is simply pointing the investigators to evidence that they have not been able to find on their own. The fact that the suspected murder suspect led investigators to the body does not mean the body does not exist.

I would agree if Flynn had already been convicted of murder. But, it is not just the lies on this matter that ruined him, he was untrustworthy in a number of areas.

So why trust him now? Because that is what congress does!

Only if evidence warrants it, but of course, this is probably not a serious statement - just an opportunity to throw the Clinton name into a discussion of wrongdoing by the present administration.

Both Clintons are well bread as liars. Hillary was kicked off the Nixon investigation because she lied. Bill lied continually not only as president, but governor. They murdered and destroyed the lives of others.

Yet, folks want to hold them up as without rebuke?

They both deserve prison.

But, Congress believed and chose to believe the lies. Not counting investigations worthy, not concerned with the heartache the Clintons' left in their wake.

So, why shouldn't they believe Flynn.

 

[Felipe Rios]

“We already know that Flynn was forced to resign after he was found to have misled Vice-President Pence over meetings with Russian officials. Donald Trump Jr. and President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, were present at at least some of those meetings. If Flynn is cooperating with the Mueller investigation, then it seems likely that he will have useful information on both Kushner and Donald Trump Jr., and that takes Mueller to the very heart of the Trump family.”

https://www.inquisitr.com/4647070/n...r-investigation-drawing-closer-michael-flynn/

I think talk of impeachment is premature. I have considered for a while that the more likely scenario is that a deal will eventually be reached where Trump resigns in order to keep family members out of prison.

Why impeach a president that is making America great again?

 

[Baptist Believer]

Of course, but remember Trump is a business man, he isn't a politician in the historical sense.

How is this supposed to make it better? You are essentially saying that Trump is grossly incompetent for the job. While I agree, I don't think that's what you intend to communicate.

I would agree if Flynn had already been convicted of murder. But, it is not just the lies on this matter that ruined him, he was untrustworthy in a number of areas.

So why trust him now?

Who said anything about trusting him? Everything that he tells the investigation MUST be independently verified. That's what every competent investigation does. However, I am confident Flynn can point them to evidence.

Here's the obligatory Clinton reference to desperately try to divert the attention from the Trump Administration:

Both Clintons are well bread as liars. Hillary was kicked off the Nixon investigation because she lied. Bill lied continually not only as president, but governor. They murdered and destroyed the lives of others.

Yet, folks want to hold them up as without rebuke?

I do not. Moreover, this has nothing to do with the issues regarding Flynn and the Trump Administration. Your insistence on trying to change the subject indicates your desperation in this matter.

So, why shouldn't they believe Flynn.

No one will "believe" Flynn unless he can prove things, corroborated with evidence.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Why impeach a president that is making America great again?

When we have one, I'll let you know.

 

[HankD]

Impeach Trump - ain't gonna happen.


HankD

 

[TCassidy]

I have a radical idea. Why not wait for all the evidence before building the scaffold? Remember Haman? He built a scaffold too soon and ended up hanged on his own scaffold!

As of right now we have no idea what evidence has actually been uncovered, if any. Remember the admonition of God's word:

Proverbs 18:13 He that answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame unto him.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Impeach Trump - ain't gonna happen.


HankD

Wishful thinking...however it is to early to make sweeping assumptions, there is not enough evidence. I am confident that an honorable & capable man with experience of gathering up evidence and making a plausible case is in place.

 

[Revmitchell]

Of course, but remember Trump is a business man, he isn't a politician in the historical sense.



I would agree if Flynn had already been convicted of murder. But, it is not just the lies on this matter that ruined him, he was untrustworthy in a number of areas.

So why trust him now? Because that is what congress does!



Both Clintons are well bread as liars. Hillary was kicked off the Nixon investigation because she lied. Bill lied continually not only as president, but governor. They murdered and destroyed the lives of others.

Yet, folks want to hold them up as without rebuke?

They both deserve prison.

But, Congress believed and chose to believe the lies. Not counting investigations worthy, not concerned with the heartache the Clintons' left in their wake.

So, why shouldn't they believe Flynn.

Isn't it always nice when you find out that you are a desperate person? How blessed you are to have the benefit of another poster to let you know how desperate you are! What would you do without them?

 

[church mouse guy]

Wishful thinking...however it is to early to make sweeping assumptions, there is not enough evidence. I am confident that an honorable & capable man with experience of gathering up evidence and making a plausible case is in place.

Excuse me for quoting you, EWF, but I just wanted to point out that I thought that Obama had New Jersey Senator Menendez tried and convicted because Menendez dared to disagree with Obama on Iran and Cuba but there was a hung jury, so maybe this political retaliation by the Democrats on Trump will dead-end also.

In the specific case of General Flynn, he is a Democrat so the warning there may be not to ask a member of another party to serve in your administration, but they all do it, as you know. I understand that General Flynn was a hawk. I don't see that it was wrong to converse with the Russians since they also have had terrorists attacks from Jihadists and I think that Trump should have ignored Flynn's remarks to Pence, who probably is a domestic policy wonk more than anything else.

But as for Trump himself, he had no dealings with the Russians--it was Obama and Clinton who were dealing with the Russians in order to sell uranium.

Mostly what Mueller and Comey have proven is that the FBI is crooked as a barrel of snakes and it might be time to abolish the federal gendarme for hopeless corruption.

 

[HankD]

Wishful thinking...

On whose part?

HankD

 

[Baptist Believer]

Isn't it always nice when you find out that you are a desperate person? How blessed you are to have the benefit of another poster to let you know how desperate you are! What would you do without them?

I'm always happy to help.

Desperate arguments reveal desperation on the part of one making them. It's not rocket science.

 

[Revmitchell]

I'm always happy to help.

Desperate arguments reveal desperation on the part of one making them. It's not rocket science.

You are guilty of the black and white fallacy.

 

[Baptist Believer]

You are guilty of the black and white fallacy.

Well I know agedman is not a fool, nor incapable of forming a cogent argument. He is also not a liar, nor someone who wants to defame others. Therefore, I have indeed narrowed the alternatives down to two (the so-called, "black and white"). Since he is a person of proven good character and his argument does not make sense, I assume he is desperate.

Since I am basing my view on a broad spectrum of information, it does not truly fall under the "black and white" fallacy.