Is There a Need to Impeach Donald Trump Now When the Mueller Investigation is Drawing Closer?

[Revmitchell]

Well I know agedman is not a fool, nor incapable of forming a cogent argument. He is also not a liar, nor someone who wants to defame others. Therefore, I have indeed narrowed the alternatives down to two (the so-called, "black and white"). Since he is a person of proven good character and his argument does not make sense, I assume he is desperate.

Since I am basing my view on a broad spectrum of information, it does not truly fall under the "black and white" fallacy.

Maybe, just maybe, you should assume you do not really understand everything nor can you know all the possible motivations of someone else. You should also assume that just because you do not like the view of someone else that doesn't make it desperate.

I can tell you I have seen a change in your attitude in your posts since Trump became President. Not for the good.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Maybe, just maybe, you should assume you do not really understand everything nor can you know all the possible motivations of someone else.

I never claimed to understand everything, nor do I claim to know motivations, but I can spot a desperate argument.

You should also assume that just because you do not like the view of someone else that doesn't make it desperate.

I don't, not have I claimed such a thing.

I can tell you I have seen a change in your attitude in your posts since Trump became President. Not for the good.

My "attitude" has been one of a prophetic witness against lies and evil. We ended up with two terrible leading choices for President and I would hold both to the same standards. The fact that so many Christians are lining up to endorse lies and support corruption is a stain upon the church. Since so much of it happens here, I'm sure it looks like my "attitude" has soured.

But those who know me in person, in other contexts such as normal church and social life, I am more lighthearted than I have been in a long time because of improving health and ministry prospects.

 

[Revmitchell]

I never claimed to understand everything, nor do I claim to know motivations, but I can spot a desperate argument.

Yes you do claim to know motivations. Desperation is a motivation. You called him desperate you characterized his words as desperate, of which you cannot prove, so therefore you are claiming to know his motivation as being desperate. Not sure why that needs to be explained.

 

[TCassidy]

Christians are lining up to endorse lies and support corruption

I am not aware of any Christians here on the Baptist Board who endorse lies and support corruption.

It is entirely possible to support the good the man does without supporting the wrong.

I support you as my brother in Christ, but I do not endorse and support your sin, which I presume, like the rest of us, you commit on a fairly regular basis.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

When we have one, I'll let you know.

He’s at over 40% approval rating, manufacturing is up, unemployment is down, and he’s had successful trips abroad, he’s appointing excellent constitutional scholars as federal judges, the V.A. mess is being addressed, and all the right people are whining.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Yes you do claim to know motivations. Desperation is a motivation.

Desperation is a feeling that can lead to motivations, but it is not a motivation itself. Not sure why that has to be explained.

You called him desperate you characterized his words as desperate, of which you cannot prove, so therefore you are claiming to know his motivation as being desperate. Not sure why that needs to be explained.

That's because the man is of proven good character. Not sure why that needs to be explained.

 

[agedman]

Maybe, just maybe, you should assume you do not really understand everything nor can you know all the possible motivations of someone else. You should also assume that just because you do not like the view of someone else that doesn't make it desperate.

I can tell you I have seen a change in your attitude in your posts since Trump became President. Not for the good.

Or "maybe, just maybe" some posters have first hand knowledge having worked in the field and actually used discernment.

You consider me "desperate." Really, and why would you?

Was there anything that I posted that would indicate such?

Did I not state facts, and that is desperate?

Flynn is a liar. Do you trust a liar to tell the truth?

Clintons are liars. Are they trusted to tell the truth?

What happened with the Clintons?

Were is the investigation?

Where are the criminal indictments and the media attention in uncovering unrighteousness?

I was (perhaps poorly) showing that consistency of accepting liars as telling the truth.

Do you honestly not understand that the investigations are not really about what the public thinks they are?

The pattern of deceit in the white house and congress has long been established going back even to the very start. The investigations are a public distraction for much greater deceitfulness.

Such hope people put in "horses and chariots" thinking that deceit is actually being exposed.

 

[Revmitchell]

Desperation is a feeling that can lead to motivations, but it is not a motivation itself. Not sure why that has to be explained.


That's because the man is of proven good character. Not sure why that needs to be explained.

Did you even read this before you hit post?

 

[Baptist Believer]

I am not aware of any Christians here on the Baptist Board who endorse lies and support corruption.

So there are a large number of people on Baptist Board who call out Trump for his lies on a regular basis? Seem to have missed that.

It is entirely possible to support the good the man does without supporting the wrong

Exactly. But if you are going to praise the good things, you should also call out the bad things.

I support you as my brother in Christ, but I do not endorse and support your sin, which I presume, like the rest of us, you commit on a fairly regular basis.

I appreciate that. Feel free to call me out on both the good and evil I commit here.

 

[Revmitchell]

Or "maybe, just maybe" some posters have first hand knowledge having worked in the field and actually used discernment.

You consider me "desperate." Really, and why would you?

Were you really trying to respond to me or BB because I do not support that accusation he made of you and your post.

 

[TCassidy]

So there are a large number of people on Baptist Board who call out Trump for his lies on a regular basis? Seem to have missed that.

Change of subject. The subject is "endorse lies and support corruption"

But if you are going to praise the good things, you should also call out the bad things.

Why? When I stand before the Judgment Bar will Jesus excoriate me for every sin I ever committed or will He say "Well done My good and faithful servant?"

 

[agedman]

Were you really trying to respond to me or BB because I do not support that accusation he made of you and your post.

I don't know.

God is gradually closing the doors of my mind. He is so kind to make me so vulnerable that I must more thoroughly rely upon Him.

I woke this morning trying to remember how to spell "maybe!"

I couldn't remember it as a compound word, and finally had to look it up.

So perhaps that initially grabbed my attention, and I posted in true ignorance of who to respond.

My apologies.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Or "maybe, just maybe" some posters have first hand knowledge having worked in the field and actually used discernment.

Sure. And I also know a little bit about investigations.

You consider me "desperate." Really, and why would you?

Was there anything that I posted that would indicate such?

Your repeated insistence that no one can believe Flynn because he is a proven liar [no one needs to believe him for him to be useful to the investigation] and the constant invocation of the Clintons to distract from the subject at hand - the Trump Administration. It is like Adam pointing to Eve and claiming that she was the problem.

Did I not state facts, and that is desperate?

You stated a fact about Flynn and a lot of conspiratorial stuff about the Clintons [claims that they "murdered" people]. I didn't take the Clinton bait because that is not the issue at hand. The Clintons are not in political office.

Flynn is a liar. Do you trust a liar to tell the truth?

No, but he can be of use to the investigation, as I have pointed out previously. You are denying that possiblity and I know you are smarter than that. That's why it reeks of desperation.

Clintons are liars. Are they trusted to tell the truth?

I never have - going all the way back to 1991. But they are irrelevant here.

What happened with the Clintons?

Were is the investigation?

I suspect you are talking about the Uranium One hoax. One of the two real journalists on Fox News has already debunked that conspiracy theory.

Where are the criminal indictments and the media attention in uncovering unrighteousness?

Mueller is working on that. Two indictments and already one guilty plea. There is more coming, so stay tuned.

I was (perhaps poorly) showing that consistency of accepting liars as telling the truth

Except that no one is simply accepting Flynn's words. However, a discouragingly large number of people accept President Trump's word when he has been proven over and over to be a liar regarding just about everything.

Do you honestly not understand that the investigations are not really about what the public thinks they are?

You are asking me if I believe the conspiracy theories floating around about the "deep state." No I don't.

The pattern of deceit in the white house and congress has long been established going back even to the very start. The investigations are a public distraction for much greater deceitfulness.

Or perhaps it is the Illuminati conspiracy... No, I don't believe that.

Such hope people put in "horses and chariots" thinking that deceit is actually being exposed.

No I don't put my ultimate faith in government or the might of armies (aka "horses and chariots") to expose evil. One day the Lord Jesus will call everyone to account for everything they have said and done - including the lies they have approved and spread, and for the truth that was told. In light of that day, I am hoping to keep my list of lies as short as possible and truth as long as possible so that I might be found faithful.

 

[church mouse guy]

The Democrats can do what they want with Flynn--he is a Democrat although he did nothing wrong except forget to keep his boss informed of his otherwise good and proper work.

Also, the Democrats might consider that the Underwear Don is no longer on the House Judiciary Committee and there might still be an honest Democrat left in the House.

 

[agedman]

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What I attempted to show was the pattern of acceptance of liars, proven liars, and some expecting to actually discover the truth is just like trying to find dry in the water.

See, the problem is (specifically to this investigation) when the chief appointed investigator is a known liar, surrounds himself with agenda driven folks who consider telling lies is good in finding out the truth, and he gets information from known liars, and then presents that information as if it is the truth, then people believe the lie. They have little choice, for it is all based upon lies.

JUST as was done with the Clintons, people willingly believe the lies, excuse all manner of evil.

By attempting to show the pattern that goes along with all sorts of political and social matters, it was hoped that the reader may not put such trust in any one on any side as presenting what is actually the truth to the public.

It is relatively unimportant which side of the table one gathers the sustenance, be it from the left or the right, or even in the middle. If all gathered is blended with lies, and that offered is untruthful, then what reasonable people assume is the truth is actually a lie.

I was drawing a parallel of the conduct and results both past and present and prediction of how that "truth" was then presented, and how the public accepted that truth as if it were the truth, therefore, they will believe what they are given as the truth irregardless of who does the presentation or what the presentation presents.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Excuse me for quoting you, EWF, but I just wanted to point out that I thought that Obama had New Jersey Senator Menendez tried and convicted because Menendez dared to disagree with Obama on Iran and Cuba but there was a hung jury, so maybe this political retaliation by the Democrats on Trump will dead-end also.

In the specific case of General Flynn, he is a Democrat so the warning there may be not to ask a member of another party to serve in your administration, but they all do it, as you know. I understand that General Flynn was a hawk. I don't see that it was wrong to converse with the Russians since they also have had terrorists attacks from Jihadists and I think that Trump should have ignored Flynn's remarks to Pence, who probably is a domestic policy wonk more than anything else.

But as for Trump himself, he had no dealings with the Russians--it was Obama and Clinton who were dealing with the Russians in order to sell uranium.

Mostly what Mueller and Comey have proven is that the FBI is crooked as a barrel of snakes and it might be time to abolish the federal gendarme for hopeless corruption.

OK then prove your last sentence.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

On whose part?

HankD

They are trying to impeach Trump as we speak. But it is foolish at this time. I would have damning evidence in my hand to prove within a shadow of a doubt.

 

[HankD]

They are trying to impeach Trump as we speak. But it is foolish at this time. I would have damning evidence in my hand to prove within a shadow of a doubt.

"within" or "beyond" a shadow of a doubt or are you messin' with us

But, life (strange as it is) I wouldn't be shocked - very disappointed though - if impeachable trash was uncovered while DT has been in office to throw him out. very disappointed.

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

"within" or "beyond" a shadow of a doubt or are you messin' with us

But, life (strange as it is) I wouldn't be shocked - very disappointed though - if impeachable trash was uncovered while DT has been in office to throw him out. very disappointed.

HankD

Your right, there is always the chance that Rippon is around, " heyna," (PA Speak) LOL!

DT has worked in the Construction Industry in NY & NJ. So have I.....since I was a yute (NJ Dialect). He would be 'epileptic' if he knowed the crap his own contractors play on him.......but the point is, they also know the guy & ....er well, everyone makes a good living. He is notorious for messing with people & you know what, what goes around comes around (In spades). He should be used to it by now. In his world, its normal. And that explains why the guy is a (alternative name for Richard).

 

[Yeshua1]

“We already know that Flynn was forced to resign after he was found to have misled Vice-President Pence over meetings with Russian officials. Donald Trump Jr. and President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, were present at at least some of those meetings. If Flynn is cooperating with the Mueller investigation, then it seems likely that he will have useful information on both Kushner and Donald Trump Jr., and that takes Mueller to the very heart of the Trump family.”

https://www.inquisitr.com/4647070/n...r-investigation-drawing-closer-michael-flynn/

I think talk of impeachment is premature. I have considered for a while that the more likely scenario is that a deal will eventually be reached where Trump resigns in order to keep family members out of prison.

Were you so gung ho to have president Clinton and Obama Impeached, for what they did while president were both far worse than what trump has been alleged to have done!