Is there really a Calvinistic resurgence?

[MB]

And don't think that doesn't happen. I know of several Calvinistic guys who can't get preaching jobs because of their beliefs and others who keep it secret so they can get hired.

They justify it by reasoning that the laypeople on a search committee just don't understand what Calvinism really is, but figure they can slowly explain it to them over time if given the chance. Can you spell C-H-U-R-C-H S-P-L-I-T?

Actually this is how Calvinist got there foot in the door with SBC in the first place. They lied about there true beliefs. Promise keepers is one of the reasons how so many Calvinist are flocking back to Catholicism by the very same methods. One turn about deserves another.
MB

 

[MB]

I am one of them... I have been rejected by 3 churches now simply because I am a graduate of Southern Seminary.

Sad day...

Don't you think it good to deceive them about your own unorthodox beliefs. Simply tell them you believe as they do. [snip - personal attack and inflammatory]
MB

 

[preacher4truth]

Don't you think it good to deceive them about your own unorthodox beliefs. Simply tell them you believe as they do. Oh wait, that's right you don't know enough about your own faith to defend it and you might just get converted to their belief your self.
MB

Wow. Totally uncalled for.

glfrederick has a solid grip on the Faith once delivered to the Saints.

 

[JesusFan]

Don't you think it good to deceive them about your own unorthodox beliefs. Simply tell them you believe as they do. Oh wait, that's right you don't know enough about your own faith to defend it and you might just get converted to their belief your self.
MB

What is interesting is that he just might have forgotten MORE theological stuff than you have read so far in your walk with Christ...

Might disagree with all of his beliefs, but do NOT doubt his salvation!

 

[Skandelon]

Actually this is how Calvinist got there foot in the door with SBC in the first place.

I'd encourage you to read up on your history. Many, if not most, of the founders of the SBC were unapologetically "reformed" or "Calvinistic" in their views. They didn't "slip" in as you seem to think. They have been around from the beginning and this issue has been a point of contention throughout the SBC's history.

 

[JesusFan]

I'd encourage you to read up on your history. Many, if not most, of the founders of the SBC were unapologetically "reformed" or "Calvinistic" in their views. They didn't "slip" in as you seem to think. They have been around from the beginning and this issue has been a point of contention throughout the SBC's history.

Christian is free to believe in either cal/Arm/Other but truth is Armianism is what 'slippedin through the cracks!"

 

[Skandelon]

Christian is free to believe in either cal/Arm/Other but truth is Armianism is what 'slippedin through the cracks!"

That is just as erroneous as MB's statement. There have been Calvinists, Arminians, and many somewhere in between from the beginning of the SBC. No one group "slipped in."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That is just as erroneous as MB's statement. There have been Calvinists, Arminians, and many somewhere in between from the beginning of the SBC. No one group "slipped in."

I liken it to a "Blended" Whiskey:smilewinkgrin:

 

[MB]

I'd encourage you to read up on your history. Many, if not most, of the founders of the SBC were unapologetically "reformed" or "Calvinistic" in their views. They didn't "slip" in as you seem to think. They have been around from the beginning and this issue has been a point of contention throughout the SBC's history.

Then by your own admission there are other views of this besides yours Which means I'm not alone in what I believe about the SBC. There are other members here of the SBC who are not reformed. It has never been completely reformed except in a calvinist day dream.
Some have said the same about fundamental Baptist although for someone who believes in the fundamentals of scripture certainly cannot entertain calvinism because it is not fundamental. It is extrabiblical.
MB

 

[MB]

Christian is free to believe in either cal/Arm/Other but truth is Armianism is what 'slippedin through the cracks!"

Please place your proof after this post?
MB

 

[MB]

That is just as erroneous as MB's statement. There have been Calvinists, Arminians, and many somewhere in between from the beginning of the SBC. No one group "slipped in."

Check your messages

 

[Tom Butler]

The effort exists on several fronts:

• Graduating as many pastor/missionary students as possible to fill pulpits and other ministry positions
• Books and other teaching efforts that reach a wide audience
• Worship and music styles and content that speak a Reformed and biblical worldview
• Conferences, networks, blogs, articles, etc., that reach those who are not apt to pick up scholarly works in a more formalized and structured setting

Nobody can label these methods as subterfuge. Looks pretty wide open to me.

 

[Luke2427]

Luke, I think you make a valid point regarding the scope of the studies. I'd be interested in seeing stats related to the SBC only.



That is just untrue. People are not snuffing scholarship in the other thread, they are snuffing the manner in which the subject has been approached. Most if not all have agreed that study is valuable and needed, they only reject the implication that one can't even speak to matters where they are not considered "scholars."

Wrong. Winman says that he has no need of ANY teachers at all because he has the Holy Ghost. Quantum supports Winman's assertion with as many thumbs up as baptistboard will allow in a single post.

And scholarship is unarguably essential before one speaks out on such grave matters as those which could honor or undermine the person of Almighty God and influence for good or evil the eternal souls of men.

The character of God is what we are discussing and before you (anyone) go haphazardly saying things about it that you do not understand you'd better humble yourself and receive some teaching by God gifted teachers on these matters along WITH your own personal study.

The haphazard handling of the most sacred thing in the universe, the character and name of God, is unspeakable blasphemy.

 

[Luke2427]

Actually this is how Calvinist got there foot in the door with SBC in the first place. They lied about there true beliefs. Promise keepers is one of the reasons how so many Calvinist are flocking back to Catholicism by the very same methods. One turn about deserves another.
MB

If you knew the FIRST THING about SBC history you'd know that the MAJORITY of SBC's in her origins were Calvinists.

We did not sneak in- We were the majority FIRST.

Our first SBC president was a Calvinist. In fact, the first SEVERAL SBC presidents were Calvinists.

Our first and largest SBC seminary was a Calvinist institution.


Most of our associations, if I recall from my study, which had confessions or statements of faith were Calvinistic.

If anybody "snuck" in, it was you guys who have no systematic theology.

 

[preacher4truth]

If you knew the FIRST THING about SBC history you'd know that the MAJORITY of SBC's in her origins were Calvinists.

We did not sneak in- We were the majority FIRST.

Our first SBC president was a Calvinist. In fact, the first SEVERAL SBC presidents were Calvinists.

Our first and largest SBC seminary was a Calvinist institution.


Most of our associations, if I recall from my study, which had confessions or statements of faith were Calvinistic.

If anybody "snuck" in, it was you guys who have no systematic theology.

Then easy-believism starting creeping in. From which theological viewpoint did this easy-believism stem?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Charles Finney perhaps? Thats an interesting question though. If most of the Appalachian people in the South from (Scots, Irish, Welsh & English linage) were originally all Calvinists, how did this transformation to Free Will take place?

 

[Luke2427]

Charles Finney perhaps? Thats an interesting question though. If most of the Appalachian people in the South from (Scots, Irish, Welsh & English linage) were originally all Calvinists, how did this transformation to Free Will take place?

Backwoodsy tent revivals which were heavy on emotionalism and light on theological depth contributed.

This spun off from Finney's revival.

I do not think it is a coincidence that Pentecostalism rose in this culture just as Calvinism went on the decline in SBC life.

There was a near full scale abandonment of thoughtful and scholastic conservative theology in this culture during this time.

It was also about this time that teetotalism grew to prominence- which is another evidence, imo, of the lack of scholarship among Christians in our country. The church had NEVER on a broad scale condemned the moderate consumption of alcohol before. This came with the rise of ignorance, imo.

KJV onlyism was not far behind.

Also about this time or a little thereafter Gospel music rose to prominence and replaced the dominance of the great, deep theological and rich hymns that we tended to use in worship.

Southern Gospel spawned from that and MOST of it, imo, is so shallow it is hardly worth nodding at, much less singing in worship services. NOT ALL OF IT MIND YOU!!! But let's face it- Gaither music cannot hold a candle to Isaac Watts and Charles Wesley. NOT THAT ALL GAITHER MUSIC IS SHALLOW!!!

We seemed to embrace ignorance and hold in disdain scholarship about the turn of the 20th century. Calvinism and scholarship tend to rise and fall together.

 

[JesusFan]

That is just as erroneous as MB's statement. There have been Calvinists, Arminians, and many somewhere in between from the beginning of the SBC. No one group "slipped in."

Just was doing a "play on words" here!
trying to show how it sounds to Cals when Arms make "goofy" statements like what I made!

 

[kyredneck]

....Gospel music rose to prominence and replaced the dominance of the great, deep theological and rich hymns that we tended to use in worship.

...oh, so true and so sad. I actually should read the Old School Hymnal more than I do, it is so full of deep, spiritual, theological truths from centuries past.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

...oh, so true and so sad. I actually should read the Old School Hymnal more than I do, it is so full of deep, deep, spiritual, theological truths from centuries past.

And yet, how many cant move away from the Piano! :smilewinkgrin: I like A Capella singing !!!!

What did our ancestors do?