Is this a Bible?

Su Wei: "May i ask, for i am ignorant, in which year did these Vulgate and Syriac manuscripts surface?"

I don't have time to do your research for you this morning.
I have to go to work. The Latin Vulgate Bible was the standerd
in the remains of the western Roman Empire for over 1,000 years.
The Syriac Bible was the standard for the Middle East
for over 1,000 years and was
the one burned with the Christians by the rise of the Mohammadans.
These versions are NOT 'newly found'.

Su Wei: "What's the inconsistency?"

We were talking about the he/she problem in Ruth 3:15

 

The KING JAMES ONLY CONTROVERASY by James R
White, p13:

//Over the 1,100 years folloing Jerome's
publication of his Latin translation of the
Bible, which became known as the Vulgate, his work
became the most popular transalation in Europe.
By the early 16th century the VULGATE was
"everyone's Bible".//

If the KJV is as good a translation as was
the Vulgate, then the KJV will begin to
wane in 2727

Here are a couple of influences of the Vulgate
on the KJV. The primary author of the
Greek sources sthat later became known
for the New Testament as the Received Texts
was the author Erasmus.

1.The Johannine Comma (in 1 John 5:7):
Erasmus used the Vulgate where this verse
was located and NOT the Greek Marjority
Text. Thus the Johannin Comma in the TRs
and the KJVs is NOT found in the Greek Majority
Texts.

2. In Acts 9:15 the phrase "it is hard
for thee to kick against the pricks" is not
vound in the Greek Majority Texts. The
phrase is found in the Vulgate version
of Acts 26. Because both are the testiomny
of Paul concerning his converstion, Erasmus
added the phrase at Acts 9:15. Most of
Acts 9:16 also comes from the Vulgate.

Thus a good portion of Acts 9:15-16 comes
from the Vulgate into the TRs and the
KJVs but is not found in the Majority
family of Greek texts.

 

In 1762 the Church of England came out with
a new version of the King James Version bible -
every book had tax for the king of England.
In 1769 the Church of England came out with
a new version of the King James Version bible -
every book had tax for the king of England.
By 1776 the colonies were in full revolt.
Part of the revolt was that the colonists
printed their own versions of the King James
Bible which were NOT authorized by the
King of England (but most of which said
'Authorized Version' (AV) on them.
Collectively I call them the "KJV1769 Edition".

 

No problem.
I guess Mr Ed the talking horse may not make
it's reruns run all round the world

 

Amen,sister!!! I have a hard time taking this guy seriously!!!!
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[ March 11, 2005, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: Phillip ]

 

Ed: //I note that if i limited myself to the KJV only that i'd not be able to figure out this
strange inconsistancy (which makes no doctrinal
difference).//

Su Wei: //now, how does not being KJVo help you to "figure out this inconsistency"??? by reading the notes in the NIV? //

My bad. Should have said: "I note that if i limited myself only
to the KJV trying to figure out why there is a 'he' in one KJV
and a 'she' in another KJV -- i'd not have been able to figure
out this
strange inconsistancy. The he/she thing makes no doctrinal
difference so this is only an acedemic discussion".
So what is you question?

Su Wei: "these however, do not cite as proofs that there was another translation work being done and then sold as the King James Version, as you propose?"

I have no idea what i said that cause you to ask this.
I did not discuss another translation work. I'm talking about
printers printing different Bibles, seperate books. In Eureka
Springs, Arkansas is a Bible Museum containing over 6,000 bibles
in some 425 languages. Early printing was an error prone process.
In the early 1700s especially, a printing set of places could only be
used for 1,000 copies, maybe only 500 then it had to be reset and
another printing run made.

 

I'm still not sure i understand the question.
Let me say what i said before but in different
words:

Rth 3:15 (KJV1611 Edition):
Also he said, Bring the vaile that thou hast vpon thee, and holde it. And when she helde it, he measured sixe measures of barley, and laide it on her: and he went into the citie.


Ruth 3:15 (KJV1769 Edition):
Also he said, Bring the vail that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and she went into the city.

You claimed that the difference in addition was
spelling standardizations (like 'citie' to 'city')
or printer errors (no example here).

The translators of the KJV1611 had multiple source
texts in Hebrew (and other languages: Greek, Latin,
Syric, etc.) They pieced together as best they could
what they thought was the original text.

The unknown changer(s) who produced what i call the
KJV1769 also had multiple source
texts in Hebrew (and other languages: Greek, Latin,
Syric, etc.) but a different set than the original
translators had.

Consider the theory, there was a printing error corrected
or made. Is the KJV1611 'he' have a 's' added to it
by error to make the 'she' in the KJV1769 OR does
the KJV1769 'she' correct and error in the KJV1769.
Either way, there was an error in some version of
the KJV which some say is WITHOUT ERROR.

Today we have more than the KJV.
For example, I have the Geneva Bible of about 1565:

Rth 3:15 (Geneva Bible): Also he sayd, Bring the sheete that thou hast vpon thee, and holde it. And when she helde it, he measured sixe measures of barly, and layde them on her, and she went into the citie.

Using the Geneva Bible, one might say the KJV1769 is
correct and the original KJV1611 has a spelling error.

BUT, consider (Bolding is mine):

Ruth 3:15 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible):
And he told [Ruth], "Bring the shawl you're wearing and hold it out." When she held it out, he shoveled six [measures] of barley into her shawl, and she* went into the city.

Translator footnote *:
Some HB mss, Aram, Syr, Vg; MT reads he

Using shorthand here expanded the translators of the
HCSB (including some Baptists, the KJV translators
included some Baptist killers) are saying:

The 'she' is contained in most Hebrew manuscripts.
But 'he' is contained in the the Aramaic manuscripts,
the Syrian manuscripts, the Latin Vulgate manuscripts,
and the Masoretic Text (i don't know if this is one
or multiple manuscripts).

Note that this is a
different list than that i gave before of manuscripts
containing "he". I used the NIV1978 translation before
and today the HCSB2003 which was translated later
so more manuscripts were available.

Many of the more extreme KJV onlyists deny the usefulness
of translator footnotes. Most of the Modern Versions (MV)s
use translator footnotes. The original KJV of 1611
used translator footnotes so some extreme KJVOs say the
KJV1611 Edition has been contaminated. I do not agree
with these extreme KJVOs. I side with those KJVO of
a milder climate who understand the usefulness of the
translator footnotes in God's preservation of the
message of His Holy Written Word.

 

Su Wei: "you just almost had me thinking that people were dabbling with GOd's word and calling it the KJV!"

But that is exactly what happened. Every fifth
topic in this Bible Versions/Translations
Forum speaks to this dabbling. Try reading
some of the threads some day.

 

Here is on-line variant KJVs.
(These are all projected as the current
version of the KJV on-line):

On-line KJV variant #1:

http://www.bartleby.com/
The King James Version 2000
Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights,
he was afterward ahungered.

[follow this trail:
Reference > The Bible > The King James Version > Matthew > 4 ]


http://www.christnotes.org/
The King James Version
Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights,
he was afterward an hungred.

http://www.servantofjesuschrist.com/
quoted St. Matthew 4:2:
And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights,
he was afterward a hungered.
(my paper KJV1873 reads like this)

http://www.Crosswalk.com/
The King James Version (Authorized)
Matthew 4:2
And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights,
he was afterward an hungred.
(My Grandmother's Bible is like this.
From the title page: New York: American Bible
Society, 1851.)

The "hee was afterward an hungred" is found in
my paper 1611 Edition KJV but not on-line
(in searchable form).

 

From this site:

http://members.aol.com/pilgrimpub/revision.htm

Dr. Benjamin Blayney, KJV1769
"Frequent recourse has been made to the Hebrew and Greek Originals"

at: http://www.pathlights.com/onlinebooks/KJV-HB/KJV-Bible.htm

//In later years, several revisions were made, which consisted solely of efforts to eliminate earlier printer’s errors.

//The most important changes occurred in the 18th century. In 1762, Dr. Thomas Paris published a revision at Cambridge; and in 1769 Dr. Benjamin Blayney, after about four years’ work, brought out another at Oxford.

//Blayney’s revision was especially valuable for the modernization of spelling, punctuation, expression, and elimination of printer’s errors.

The 1769 Blayney revision is the King James Bible we use today.//

While Great Britian and the English empire was selling
these to books: KJV1762 and KJV1769, the American
colonies were in hidden rebellion against the King's
tax on Bibles. In 1776 the 13 colonies were in
open rebellion. The American printed Bibles contained
the KJV text but without tax. I call the KJV1762 and
the KJV1769 and the American rip-offs collectively
the KJV1769.