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michelle

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Yes you did. On Aug 22 you said about those living before 1611 and using the Geneva, "They obviously did not yet have the perfect word of God yet."
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You need to go back and read all of what was said, rather than focusing your mind upon one thing.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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natters

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michelle said "You need to go back and read all of what was said, rather than focusing your mind upon one thing."

I did. In this thread you said "It is evil to say that no one today in English has the very words of God 100%" (and you did not explain why it is evil), and in the other thread you said about them in 1610 "They obviously did not yet have the perfect word of God yet." In that other thread you went on to contradict yourself and say that God's word becomes error over time, but the point still stands that you say in this thread that it is evil to say what you said in the other thread, and that you denied that you even said it until I reminded you.
 
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michelle

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In these and other cases you have claimed that a distinction and differentiation actually matters, and this stands in contrast with what Waite says, with which you now claim to agree (and, BTW, Waite himself thereby agrees with the KJV translators and their preface).
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Again, you use human reasoning and false logic, and try to bind me to that. Just because Waite might agree those specific words are okay (to which I have not read that he did), does not mean I have to agree or that I do agree with that. It has clearly been shown to you in those cases why I believe those word choices are wrong and misleading, and changing truth. Because of this, doesn't diminish the overall truth in this issue to which he presents. You focus your attention on bickering about words, rather than looking at the overall picture of what has been done. There are many different accurate English words that can be used, and are not bound to one, and then there are inaccurate ones that should NEVER be used.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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michelle

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I did. In this thread you said "It is evil to say that no one today in English has the very words of God 100%" (and you did not explain why it is evil), and in the other thread you said about them in 1610 "They obviously did not yet have the perfect word of God yet." In that other thread you went on to contradict yourself and say that God's word becomes error over time, but the point still stands that you say in this thread that it is evil to say what you said in the other thread, and that you denied that you even said it until I reminded you.
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Sure they did. They had God's words of truth 100% in their language, in that day. Absolutely they did, and they believed it, until they thought their bibles had been corrupted. This is why they desired a new translation.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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natters

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Ah, I see. Once we stop using logic and reason, "They obviously did not yet have the perfect word of God yet" means "They had God's words of truth 100% in their language, in that day". Now I understand.

Lord God, please forgive me for using my brain, I see now that I do not need it anymore.
 
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manchester

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Michelle, in her best John Kerry voice: "I have had ONE position. One CONSISTENT position on the full Word in English."
 
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michelle

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Michelle said "What is it I do not understand?"

I have already told you what you do not understand
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NO you haven't, as well as you haven't even explained yourself. You just make statements like the one above, with no content in them whatsoever. So, please tell me, what is it that I do not understand?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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michelle

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Michelle, in her best John Kerry voice: "I have had ONE position. One CONSISTENT position on the full Word in English."
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First of all, politics has nothing to do with this thread and I have nothing to do with politics. Secondly, you are attempting yet again, to compare me, unwarrantedly to someone who is not a christian, and to who is irrelevant to this issue. Please stop doing this.

I am not the one standing in contradiction. You are.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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natters

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Michelle said "NO you haven't"

YES I have. See my second last post on page 5 of this thread.

Michelle said "as well as you haven't even explained yourself"

Frustrating, isn't it? ;)
 
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michelle

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Ah, I see. Once we stop using logic and reason, "They obviously did not yet have the perfect word of God yet" means "They had God's words of truth 100% in their language, in that day". Now I understand.

Lord God, please forgive me for using my brain, I see now that I do not need it anymore.
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Yes, as the Lord requires of us Faith, not our own human reasoning and false logic. Read Hebrews 11.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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natters

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michelle said "Yes, as the Lord requires of us Faith, not our own human reasoning and false logic. Read Hebrews 11."

Excellent. Now we can have faith in Santa Claus again, that the world is flat, and that Mormons are right after all. Phooey on all that logic and reasoning that says otherwise.
 
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michelle

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Michelle said "NO you haven't"

YES I have. See my second last post on page 5 of this thread.

Michelle said "as well as you haven't even explained yourself"

Frustrating, isn't it?
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Here is your second to last post on page 5 of this thread. Now please show me where you have explained yourself so that I might understand your position better:


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michelle said "You are constantly confused aren't you Natters?"

No. The word is "amused", not "confused".

michelle said "You can't even tell how converstations have progressed, and what has been said?"

I can tell when coversations have been avoided.

michelle said "You hadn't been giving support of scriptures that confirm where your BELIEF in this issue comes from."

I have, repeatedly.

michelle said "to which I have said from that point on, that you are showing yourself to be in contradiction to what those scriptures say."

Yes, you said that, but you were wrong because you don't understand either the scriptures nor my position. You are so wrapped up in you presuppositions that you can't see beyond the end of your nose, you cannot even comprehend the points others are making.
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All you have done is turn this into a circular argument with no content and no explanation, just bold statements such as the above, which is typical for you.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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michelle

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michelle said "Yes, as the Lord requires of us Faith, not our own human reasoning and false logic. Read Hebrews 11."

Excellent. Now we can have faith in Santa Claus again, that the world is flat, and that Mormons are right after all. Phooey on all that logic and reasoning that says otherwise.
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Are you now mocking the truth in Hebrews 11? This would not be wise to do. True logic only comes from God, and faith is based upon it. Where does your faith come from Natters?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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Michele, from what I can see of the whole set of postings on this thread, you are the one using contradictory language, human reasoning and logic, and aren't able to present your arguments very well with any sort of substance to them. Circular reasoning doesn't prove your points. Please, please, please, use the common sense God gave you and think before you post.
 
HankD

HankD

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Why do these posts always get derailed and end up as a "holier-than-thou" one-ups-manship as to who has the better faith?


HankD
 
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natters

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michelle said "Here is your second to last post on page 5 of this thread. Now please show me where you have explained yourself"

You asked me to tell you what you don't understand. OK, check it out, from that post on page 5: "Yes, you said that, but you were wrong because you don't understand either the scriptures nor my position. You are so wrapped up in you presuppositions that you can't see beyond the end of your nose, you cannot even comprehend the points others are making."

michelle said "All you have done is turn this into a circular argument with no content and no explanation"

You're catching on!
Do you know why?

michelle said "Are you now mocking the truth in Hebrews 11?"

Nope, not at all. Just following your lead.

michelle said "Where does your faith come from Natters?"

God and the scriptures.
 
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michelle

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Why do these posts always get derailed and end up as a "holier-than-thou" one-ups-manship as to who has the better faith?
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Please show me where I have done or said this?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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av1611jim

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HankD;
I apologize if my comment offended you.
I did not mean to imply that you are in any way whatsoever inferior to me. I misunderstood your posted replies to me as though it was you who thought I was inferior to you. I misunderstood your replies to say that my Bible is NOT Scripture but merely a translation and therefore NOT authoritative. Then I misunderstood your reply to say that I stand in judgement of others' salvation or spirituality when I have NEVER done so. I believe you have misunderstood my comment that you have a problem if equating God with Scripture since MANY in the MV camp would call people in my camp IDOLATROUS for such a claim. This is the problem I was referring to. Admittedly, it was not communicated effectively at all. I am sorry.
Yes, you are right. However, you seem to be overly defensive for the MV camp. You will note, if you have followed these threads very much, that folks on BOTH sides of the aisle have committed such offenses as being less than gracious in their comments. Some are down right RUDE. My brothers, this should not be.
Nevertheless, since you do AGREE that my Bible is Scripture, (though you qualify it with the comment, "by derivation") then I will stand on it without apology and without question.
You folks in the MV camp are free to do what you will. That being said,
I, too, love you brother, in the Lord.
In His service;
Jim


As an aside, why oh why does this debate rage so? Should we not be about winning folks to Jesus?
Michelle? Give it a rest, eh sis?
 
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manchester

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Originally posted by michelle:
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Why do these posts always get derailed and end up as a "holier-than-thou" one-ups-manship as to who has the better faith?
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Please show me where I have done or said this?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
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