Is this a contradiction?

[michelle]

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The Bible doesn't tell you to use the toilet but I assume you do. The Bible doesn't always tell you what to do in every case. But it does say that when we need wisdom in the midst of trials to ask God.
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You see what human reasoning in this issue gets you? YOu have come completely 100% outside of what this issue being discussed is about, to which are THE SCRIPTURES.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by michelle:


NO, God does this through his word, the scriptures, to which you in the above comments accused me of attacking others by them.

Who is doing the rebuke?

Prov 13:1 A wise son accepts his father's discipline,
But a scoffer does not listen to rebuke.

Prov 17:10 A rebuke goes deeper into one who has understanding
Than a hundred blows into a fool.

Prov 27:5 Better is open rebuke
Than love that is concealed.

 

[michelle]

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We also don't conform scripture to fit our preconceived opinions about Bible versions. If a passage was not talking about scripture in general or translations in particular when God spoke it into existence then it isn't talking about those things now.
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Exactly. So why then are you and many others doing this?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[gb93433]

My point was that there are many many things not mentioned in the Bible that some would categorize as unbiblical. So I provided a few things in addition.

 

[gb93433]

Michelle how long will you ignore the following post and it is biblical too?

Originally posted by michelle:

Correct historical background? Where in God's word does He tell us to use historical background? IN fact, God has told us that the church is the pillar and ground of truth.

Just like what you have written has a specific context everything else said and written has a specific context. The scriptures were written in past tense in a particular culture and climate much different than in America. For example the book of Matthew must be understood in light of its historical background to get the correct interpretation of the message. Just as all the other books of the Bible must be interpreted in light of their historical context.

Sometime just compare Mt.8:28-34 esp. vs.28; Mk.5:1-20 esp. vs.2; Lk. 8:26-39 esp. vs.27.

If you just simply read those passages and notice the number of demoniacs you will be confused trying to fugure out what happened if you do not understand the rest of the story behind the story or message.

You will not be able to know how to interpret that single event unless you understand the historical background of those books.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by michelle:

You see what human reasoning in this issue gets you? YOu have come completely 100% outside of what this issue being discussed is about, to which are THE SCRIPTURES.

God made the man. God made the man's brain. God made the man with a brain to think. God made the man with a brain to think so the man could make an air conditioner and heater for my home. Because of God's work in man I can now live in a comfortable home with my family and devote my life to other things other than trying to heat my house.

 

[michelle]

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I am waiting to get an answer from her about the passages I cited earlier in MT. Mk. and Lk. Not one KJVO has given me an answer yet. Those passages have been brought to their attention several times. Yet, not one has given an accurate an answer. They say they rally believe the Bible and trust God and all the answers are right in the Bible. But they just can't seem to get that one right. So many have skirted and ignored the issue. It takes some background study to fully undersatnd those passages. At first it appears confusing and contradictory. But in the end it is quite simple only after you study.

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And this is the reason I have ignored your question:


1 Tim. 6

20. O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21. Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.


2 Tim. 2


11. It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12. If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13. If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14. Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18. Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.


You indeed are not doing this for edification, but only to argue against the truth in the scriptures.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[michelle]

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You will not be able to know how to interpret that single event unless you understand the historical background of those books.
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And this is a false assumption based upon your false and unbiblical approach.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[michelle]

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God made the man. God made the man's brain. God made the man with a brain to think. God made the man with a brain to think so the man could make an air conditioner and heater for my home. Because of God's work in man I can now live in a comfortable home with my family and devote my life to other things other than trying to heat my house.
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That is wonderful, great and true, but what does it have to do with this issue?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[natters]

michelle said "That is wonderful, great and true, but what does it have to do with this issue?"

Use yours, and you might understand.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by michelle:


You indeed are not doing this for edification, but only to argue against the truth in the scriptures.

If you know the answer you wil edify those who do not know. So edify them with the truth. You have the chance to proclaim the truth of these passages and you are going to ignore the opportunity?

I am not argiung against the truth. I have studied those passages and am trying to show how some of your statements are shot full of holes. So if you accept the challenge you might see how foolish and ignorant you really are. Those seemingly contradictions do not bother me at all because they are not contradictions. In fact if you study the historical background that lies behind those passages you will see why there is two mentioned in Mt. and one in Mk. and Lk.

You have been telling us all along how to correctly interpret scripture so now I am giving you the chance. Give us a defense of your faith as it says in 1 Peter 3:15, "but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."

I have been asked about those passages in Bible study before. How would you have answered them?

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by michelle:


That is wonderful, great and true, but what does it have to do with this issue?

You asked, "You see what human reasoning in this issue gets you?"

So I thought I would respond.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Page 19 already! Wow!

Michelle, you seems the only one person who stands for KJV. You see, no one here who saying we are against KJV. We all agree KJV is God's Word, even, we do agree versions are partially God's Word same as KJV does.

This topic is argue for nothing and no profitable. ZZZZZZZ

Michelle, you have to be opening your mind and eye.

I have a question for you, do you have own 1611 A.V. Bible with you at home?

If you don't. I higly recommend you to order it. You will find it at www.cuttingedge.org and click the picture of 1611 A.V.- first edition, then order it. You have to looking in it yourself, you will able find 400 errors in 1611 A.V.

Dr. Peter Ruckman claims, KJV CORRECTS Greek- 'advance revelation'. His teaching does not make a snese to me. His teaching is logical.

No excuse for Dr. Ruckman. He knows better than that. There were many changes and editions since 1611 A.D. to now for nearly 400 years.

KJV does not correct Greek. 1611 A.V. was translated comes from Greek and also Hebrews too. There were 400 errors in 1611 A.V., not because of Greek. Because of men's. Humans easy make mistakes. We cannot be expect there is a 100% perfect Bible on earth, because we are as human, easy to make mistakes. But, we have to carry copies God's Truth to the next generations, to keep truth spread on the same doctrines as what Early Church taught.

If you do not have 1611 A.V. with you. I highly recommend you to order it, and looking at them yourself.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[russell55]

And the problem that many of you seem to have in approaching and discussing this issue, is that you are looking for a label or a name attached to the scriptures, to be found in the scriptures for proof.

We are approaching scripture as if it were our absolute rule of faith and practice. We are being careful not to assert as dogma something that can't be found stated within the pages of scripture. We are being cautious so that we don't accept as God's truth something that is only extrabiblical dogma.

We are testing the spirits against the statements of scripture. We are avoiding all forms of evil prophecy by making sure that the prophetic statements we accept can be proved by the clear statements of God's word. We are searching the scriptures to see if what comes from your keyboard is true.

Don't point your finger at those who are simply unwilling to accept extrabiblical dogma, for those who truly care about God's word don't assert as authoritative something that can't be found within it's pages.

This my dear brothers and sisters, is where you err.

No, it's where we stand for the truth of scripture as absolute rule of faith and practice. If you are willing to call that error, then I don't know what to say to you.

I don't doubt your love for the word. I wish that love translated into putting it into its proper place as the determinative rule of the truth of the statements you make.

 

[Trotter]

Russell55- Amen, sister! You have said/written it much better than I could have done. Well done!

In Christ,
Trotter

 

[AVL1984]

Originally posted by michelle:
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You have yet to prove that any are inaccurate. The KJV is not as pure as you state, and this has been shown time and time again by not only myself, but Dr. Bob, C4K, and others on these forums. Willful blindness is ludicrous and not faith, but rather stupidity on the part of the person who stays that way.
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The evidence proves it on its own, as the truth exposes the lie. It has been shown. Now it is up to those to whom it has been shown to make that determination. It is evident, and it has been shown, but it is ultimately you who has to come to acknowledge it, and admit it, instead of ignore it and reject it.


You are correct, willful blindness is not faith, and shows stupidity on the part of this person. I have faith that God has provided us HIS infallible and inerrant words of truth in our own language. To believe otherwise, is not faith but doubt, and is being willfully blind.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

Michelle, you continue to use circular reasoning, providing no evidence of anything you're stating as fact. You have no historical data to back up what you're saying and spouting. You imply again that you have faith and others don't. You truly are wifllfully blinded by your worship of a version. With that in mind, you cannot worship both the KJV and Christ at the same time. Again, you've evaded answering the questions, yet expect us to take you seriously. That's a shame.

 

[AVL1984]

Originally posted by michelle:
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The ball is NOT in our court, you have yet to show scripture that is relevant to translations, period.
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Indeed I have also done this, many times, to which I have also explained with my own words, to which you are now ignoring.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

Circular reasoning again in your last three posts, as well as evasion of the questions. You have no evidence, even including your faith. What you have is a total lack of not only faith, but historical evidences. God even provided historical evidences, as did Jesus Christ. You can't, won't, or just plain don't have the knowledge to do so.

 

[michelle]

Matthew 8

28. And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.


(Notice, this does not say two men)


Mark 5

2. And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,


Luke 8

27. And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.


As God explains further, in Mark and Luke that there was a certain man that had devils a long time, who approached and met Jesus. These two accounts, God gives a detailed explanation of this man and what Jesus did for him. It seems to be that God separated the man from the unclean spirit and considered them separate from one another explaining the "two" being referred to in Matthew because these verses say:

5. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6. But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

(the man)

7. And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

(the unclean spirit)

8. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9. And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

10. And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.

(the unclean spirit)


Jesus was addressing the unclean spirit called Legion, who was many, but not the man, but had been talking about the man and what this spirit had done to him. Legion means a large group of soldiers or multidude, and as we see, 2000 swine went into the sea. This unclean spirit that Jesus was addressing, was the leader of this group of devils that had possessed this man. So the two being spoken of in Matthew was the man, and the unclean spirit called Legion.

No contradiction, and no need for a history lesson to understand this.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[AVL1984]

If you would bother to read my post, Michelle, and refer back to yours, you would see I'm referring to your posts somewhere between pages 10-12. Or, is it that you love to argue so much you don't bother to read the posts, just spout at them????

 

[michelle]

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Don't point your finger at those who are simply unwilling to accept extrabiblical dogma, for those who truly care about God's word don't assert as authoritative something that can't be found within it's pages.
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Actually I am defending my FAITH in this issue that we have God's words 100% accurately in our language, to which you are all claiming we do not, and that I must accept Textual criticism above that of FAITH, to which is unbiblical. So you are willing to accept extrabiblical teachings and believe that to be authoritative over and above that of FAITH which is contrary to the scriptural truths.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle